This boss telling you that they felt the project should have been done a long time ago: I wonder who that comment benefits? Feels like no one. You get bummed, they give late feedback without a lot of constructive aspects to it. I am trying to think of one way it was useful to tell you that, but I can’t. Seems like you should feel justified in not being a fan of working under this person. What you do with that is hard…
I agree with this sentiment. And in fact, I’ll take it further: I’m not sure any “you should have” phrase is ever beneficial UNLESS it’s in the context of giving guidance about the future. And even then, it’s better to phrase it as “next time, I would suggest…” This has been a pet peeve of mine for a long time. “You should have” phrases are often used to berate or make the recipient feel bad while acting as a vent fo…
Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?
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Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?
#182Time to start looking for the next gig. That boss is unsuitable for management. Lacking emotional intelligence, willingness to mentor, and so forth. I've never successfully managed upwards, never have been able to turn situations like yours around. I've had jobs that I really liked, so tried really hard to make things work. It was never worthwhile. I always regretted the effort. The good bosses I've had made all the…
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#183Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?
#184Former individual contributor, former middle-manager and former "VP-level boss" here. I've seen all this before, several times over. Know that this will recur throughout your career, most likely. Your boss is disconnected from the project and the manager, and the boss has no idea what's happening at the individual contributor level. It's always "you shoulda done this, you shoulda done that" It's always in retrospect…
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#185Your boss is gaslighting & intimidating you. - Do not be intimidated into thinking you did your work poorly. I've seen this happen many times with employees being guilt tripped, especially the younger more junior employees. You are a professional and the work you do is important for the company, you do it with pride and to the best of your ability. - Beware of gaslighting. Some bosses can be incredibly manipulative a…
That's not gaslighting. Or not how the word should be used. It has a very specific meaning that somehow lost in the last couple of years, saw a lot of times on reddit too where people use it wrongly all the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting
In OP's case gaslighting would be something like this
- BOSS: I told you to finish this project X weeks ago
- OP: But this is the first time we sat down talking?!
- BOSS: Are you joking? We had this conversation 2 weeks ago! Right, MANAGER?
- MANAGER: Yes it was after the big meeting, can't believe you you forgot that too
etc
That being said the boss doesn't come around nice to me from OP's story
Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?
#186When that deadline fails to be met, middle managers need someone's head to roll in order to avoid being blamed themselves.
At that moment, middle managers start conspiring against some of their subordinates, and they often build an argument that some engineer is not "performing well enough" or some other similar claim.
The key is that at companies with this kind of culture the burden of proof is placed on the defense. Meaning that if your manager claims you are not meeting their expectations, it's on you to prove you are performing well enough, and at that point you are pretty much fucked, because they can simply say they don't believe you (the entire point of it is to shift blame, no matter how esoterical the thought process is).
Ultimately, you need to think about your own wellbeing and if you are willing to work under some sociopath. You can add all the layers you want to the problem, but it comes down to some people making fake promises and having some coworkers or employees pay for those lies.
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#188The first meeting where your manager just abandoned you and you ended up talking to your manager's boss is totally inappropriate. Being so new to the job basically all the responsibility is with your direct manager and her boss is wrong to dump on you without your manager present. I'd give it another chance though, sounds like the work is fun and maybe you can communicate your concerns to your direct manager.
Like, why are they complaining about this on hacker news? They should be venting to their manager (we can see why that fails), or some engineer with some clout they trust. If they don't have these avenues, that can turn sour quickly.
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#189Your boss is gaslighting & intimidating you. - Do not be intimidated into thinking you did your work poorly. I've seen this happen many times with employees being guilt tripped, especially the younger more junior employees. You are a professional and the work you do is important for the company, you do it with pride and to the best of your ability. - Beware of gaslighting. Some bosses can be incredibly manipulative a…
The person giving the feedback was the boss's boss, and they clearly didn't have the entire picture of the situation.
That's not gaslighting. The term "gaslighting" gets thrown around far too readily. Assuming malice and manipulation in cases of miscommunication is a quick way to sour any relationship, this one included.
There's no question that communication wasn't great in this scenario, but I don't see any reason to believe it's malicious or manipulative. The OP needs to work on proactive communication, but receiving unfiltered feedback from above is much better than blindly continuing down the same path without ever being informed that something is wrong.
Learn from it, adapt, and move on. Don't assume it's "gaslighting" or manipulation every time two people have different perspectives on a situation due to miscommunication.
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#190you need to be able to put this aside for the moment. as in, not the the useful advice, but agonising over 'fair'.
I've had negative feedback that I thought was exaggerated. How I dealt with it was to take on the feedback nonetheless, because I wanted to satisfy to myself that the criticism while valid was not a useful perspective on my work.
I've also had negative feedback that I was convinced was totally misplaced. How I dealt with it was to sympathise with my manager's position: they were obviously having difficulties with their own responsibilities.
I've also once had negative feedback that I had to admit was totally valid. How I dealt with it was to realise that my colleagues wanted me to perform at a higher level. I took their advice on what changes to make in my work, and went on to enjoy many more years in that role.
The first few years of my career were punctuated with consistent positive feedback, and I think I was the worse for it. Any mistakes I made were treated as aberrations, and for a few years I never got any advice about how to be better. Instead I got totally unhelpful declarations of brilliance that did nothing to help me grow.
quite likely your boss and your manager are more at fault in this scenario, but if so, you need to let them be wrong this time. As others here have suggested, I'd encourage you to pursue regular progress reviews with your immediate report.