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Re: Ask HN: My client want an agent on my laptop. Is this the new normal?

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> If you want to ship me a dedicated laptop for your engagement, I would be happy to install whatever you want on it. I wouldn't offer this. You're still going to need to login to Github/email/wherever with your personal password, manage private keys, and stuff like that. Just say no.

Just compartmentalize your passwords and private keys. That said, private keys are generated on the dedicated hardware and always stay there - that's all you need to manage them.

I store all my keys in a yubikey (including ssh keys). The client can’t have the keys if I don’t have the keys.

Re: Ask HN: My client want an agent on my laptop. Is this the new normal?

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I work frim home ... pandemic and all that. What else am I supposed to do?

VLAN is the obvious and most cost-effective mitigation

Not really. VLAN provides segmentation, but it does not provide any mechanisms to limit access to other vlans in your network - which are most likely routed by your router. You will need to add some L3 filtering (acls/iptables/whatever) to isolate segments.

Re: Ask HN: My client want an agent on my laptop. Is this the new normal?

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I work for an ISO certified company, our company laptops have specific things for things like firewalls, allowed software, etc. Things for actual security. But no spyware, I don't feel like you need spyware to get ISO or SOC2, just sounds like a ruse to me for a company that lacks trust. Big red flag. If it's your own personal laptop, then it's your property, they have no right to make you install something on it. If…

A lot of those things happens because nobody especially not the junior accountants and paralegals doing the compliance audit understand security making a lot of non tech savy companies buy into expensive tools(triggering the sunk cost fallacy) based on what the salesdrones told the CEO/CIO/CSO over lunch and the shadier the product the better the sales team tend to be at hoodwinking customers using scare tactics into adopting their special spyware source just in case.

I would also personally be pushing back using every venue open to me on this kind of behaviour but's it is often more a sign of incompetence then malice.

Re: Ask HN: My client want an agent on my laptop. Is this the new normal?

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> You mention you are in the EU. That's important because the GDPR applies. They have some lawyer speak in their "Data Processing Addendum" that is unclear to me. I suspect it is designed to enable a loop-hole in GDPR. I'm not an expert. It would cost me a fortune to get a law firm specializing in GDPR to dissect it. Drata declined to comment on my concerns about this.

The "Data Processing Addendum" is a legal document that's meant to ensure a legal basis to get GDPR-covered data out of the EU (in my opinion it's a load of bullshit because it's fundamentally incompatible with the Patriot Act, but that's off-topic and beside the point, as far as you or me are concerned it's lawyer-approved). It's a common document that's meant to replace the Privacy Shield (that has been ruled not G…

> The Data Processing Addendum isn't a loophole to collect data that they don't have a legal basis to collect.

No. But it looks like a loophole to export whatever they have a legal basis to collect, to process it and share it in ways that GDPR was designed to prevent. In other words, to do what would be a crime in EU.

Re: Ask HN: My client want an agent on my laptop. Is this the new normal?

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There's a load of nonsense in the comments here today.

* Drata is a vendor that helps a company navigate your SOC2 compliance process, by organizing all the controls and helping you gather evidence that you have done so. For instance, they'll connect with Github and make sure everyone with access to your repos is a company employee. If you don't use Drata you have to gather this evidence yourself, repeatedly over months, and it's a pain.

* The Drata agent is a pretty innocuous thing. It checks you have done things like turn on disk encryption, have updates enabled, and that the screen locks if you walk away. It does NOT monitor employee's activities. These kind of security checks are incredibly common and are required for certifications like ISO27001 and SOC2. SOC2 is not really optional for large enough b2b SaaS.

* The poster says "Their business model (in my case) seems to be to take money from companies to spy on their employees/contractors, and then they sell the employees/contractors private information to "targeted advertising".

Do you have any evidence for this?? I've just been involved in selecting Drata as a vendor for SOC2 compliance planning for our company. If this is true it's a huge deal and totally against my understanding of their business model. It honestly sounds like bullshit to me! But if you have evidence that they do this, please let us know.

* As a freelancer, whether you are required to install security monitoring software is definitely an open question. If you're delivering work separately and not connected to company systems, then ok. If you're basically just acting like any other employee, and connected to the company systems, then you will probably have to do this. Because otherwise they would fail SOC2 and managing your legal status as "Freelancer" vs "Employee" (for tax reasons??) is not worth not being certified.

Re: Ask HN: My client want an agent on my laptop. Is this the new normal?

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The concept of "working from home" forced by the pandemic is harming the "remote working" community by extensive invigilation and moving harmful office behaviors to private space. I talked to an Intel HR person (informal chat, I never applied there nor planned to) 2-3 months ago and after I stated that after a decade of remote work, I see pandemic-driven introduction of harmful concepts like spying on previously trus…

This reminds me of how adblocking software worked great when only a handful of nerds used it. Then when adblocking became more mainstream, sites bothered to develop workarounds to make ads show up anyway. Adblockers now try to develop workarounds to the workarounds, but it's a constant battle. Was it great when I was the only one with adblocking software? Yeah, for me. But it was worse for society as a whole, most of…

And now we have the majority-share browser vendor Google moving to cripple ad blockers with ManifestV3.

So I guess we're winning?

Re: Ask HN: My client want an agent on my laptop. Is this the new normal?

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Drata has a web application where you can upload evidences of the requirements. The agent just makes it easier. If you are not comfortable, it should not be a big issue.

You can choose not to install it and upload a couple screenshots of requested settings (having disk encryption enabled, having a password manager installed etc) periodically. If the client forces it that is a little unreasonable because drata tracks if you uploaded stuff in a timely manner anyway.

They don’t need to force it.

Re: Ask HN: My client want an agent on my laptop. Is this the new normal?

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The concept of "working from home" forced by the pandemic is harming the "remote working" community by extensive invigilation and moving harmful office behaviors to private space. I talked to an Intel HR person (informal chat, I never applied there nor planned to) 2-3 months ago and after I stated that after a decade of remote work, I see pandemic-driven introduction of harmful concepts like spying on previously trus…

> sect-like "love bombing"

So poetic.

Re: Ask HN: My client want an agent on my laptop. Is this the new normal?

#190

Under EU law that would potentially make you an employee rather then a contractor, as a major part of the destruction is control and time management and the more the Company wants to manage your equipment and time the more the balance swings towards employee status. This is also part of the reason why BYOD is going nowhere as the second the company wants to audit/control setting it's no longer "Your Own Device".

> Under EU law that would potentially make you an employee rather then a contractor, That is not going to happen. I'm a freelancer, and I am going to remain a freelancer. It that becomes too hard in EU, then bye bye EU :) I'm already an expat.

I believe GP refers to the fact that by receiving employee status under law, you also receive a set of entitlements in addition to whatever you have agreed to as a freelancer. This is not about you having to change your preferred way of working, but about the fact that by forcing you to give up that much control, they also assume responsibilities that they probably have not assessed and you could take advantage of.
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