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Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

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I've been in a similar boat - wanted to share what I found worked for me, perhaps it helps. I constantly found myself in the following loop: 1) Motivated to study, study productively 2) Several days / weeks later productivity stops (for any number of reasons) 3) Quickly forget everything I learnt over the next month or so 4) Back at stage 1, feeling I have 'wasted' the last few months. My big problem was the _forgett…

With Anki retaining what you’ve learned becomes a choice. If you put it in Anki, you _will_ retain it. The challenge then becomes, What to put in Anki? I’ve memorized loads of history, often down to the birth years of notable historical figures. This doesn’t seems very useful but it has changed my appreciation of history. Every historical fact I hear now drops neatly into context. I did the same with geology, Ankifying much of the New History of Life course. I think the amount of trivia I’ve loaded into Anki is excessive, but because I have this amazing new superpower, it’s hard to stop using it. And once I have a fact in Anki and in memory, there’s just no point in removing it. That would be a choice to forget something I already know. Why do that?

I’m now using Anki to learn Vietnamese and to work through Linear Algebra Done Right. It is such a pleasure because I know what I learn won’t evaporate. It’ll be right there, instantly accessible decades from now.

Anki is an incredibly useful tool. I can’t recommend enough.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

on the other hand, if you enjoy goofing off playing video games more than you enjoy doing math courses & you act on that, then reality will find you a job at McDonald's instead of a coding job. So choose what you enjoy wisely.

Funny because in my experience people are good at math tend to like playing games. At a certain level, every game is math after all.

What you call goofing off playing video games others call research.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

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post #4

I've found a combination of keeping a journal, having self-compassion, and having something to prove to be the key to sticking with a self-study regimen. Journaling helps document progress and provides notes that you can transcribe to a spaced repetition system (i.e. flashcards) for long term retention. Self-compassion is key for picking yourself up after you feel overwhelmed by a topic and quit for the day, which wi…

That's an interesting approach, but I feel like you are describing a slightly different problem than the op is talking about, or at least I have. Once I pick something to work on I have no problem staying motivated or sticking with it. I've also never felt bad about myself running into roadblocks. My problem is that there are too many interesting things to work on, I have a hard time picking from them, leading to FOM…

I did not write it but I keep this in my notes when I have such doubts ->

Circle of competence (read about it on wiki as well):

Short-term

What job can you be hired for an hold for a year and make the most money? If you forced yourself to make money doing one job and holding onto that job for at least one year, what would you do? What skills does that entail? If you're not sure, go network and interview. What gigs can you get right now and get folks to pay you - whether you advertise on Quora, Facebook, call your friends, family, neighbors, etc.? What skills does that entail? What do people ask you to do more than they ask others to do? That's what they think your circle of competence is. They're part of the market. The market will value your competence whether you like it or not.

Long-term

What do you like doing that is a marketable skill? What do you spend your time doing? You'll get better at something you like doing and keep doing, especially if that skill is in demand and others are not as devoted to it or as interested in it. The things you do which you like doing and spend a lot of time doing - as long as you make sure you keep improving - will become part of your circle of competence.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

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post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strong +1. I constantly felt like I was wasting time by studying and then stopping since I would forget 95% of what I learned. With a small daily investment, Anki flips that percentage to retaining 80-90%. It has been an insane boon to my motivation, and I've been able to keep a near-daily habit of doing it for 6 years now.

Are you using every week or is it when you resume where you left of you check the cards?

To be effective you need to use Anki every day. I set my goal for learning and reviewing ambient knowledge at 30 minutes per day. All ambient cards are organized under one “Daily” deck. If studying that deck exceeds 30 minutes, then I reduce the number of new cards added per day until it goes below the threshold.

For knowledges that I’m actively learning, I keep separate decks and have no time limit. Creating, splitting, and tuning cards is fundamental to my learning process.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

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I am doing something similar, it's not easy.

I am late to the party, but in case this helps, this is what works for me:

First, the most important thing is that you must really, really want it. I don't think that anyone ever got good at something hard that they didn't find interesting, or, if they did, it must have been sheer torture. If this is not the case, the sooner you accept it and move on, the better, to avoid needless suffering and wasting time.

There is no royal road to geometry.

You need a realistic plan, based on what you want when, and then list the prerequisites. Don't forget that you also need breaks and to do other things.

I prefer depth over breadth.

I stick to one course at a time, full inmersion. In my case the best learning happens when meditating for a long time over tricky concepts. This requires focus.

If you find yourself strugling that's ok. Take a step back, take your time, look for alternative material that explains the same concept more slowly, review the prereqs. It is often a sign that you hit something important but difficult. If you clear this hurdle, you will already have an advantage over those that gave up, if it is hard for you the odds are that it is hard for the rest too.

If possible, I try to learn from complete online courses from top universities, with outstanding and charismatic professors giving video lectures and well designed psets, explaining the core concepts extremely well. For instance: 6.042 discrete math with Tom Leighton, 6.006 algorithms with Eric Demaine, 18.06 linear algebra with Gilbert Strang, Machine Learning with Yasser Moustaffa, William Cohen on machine learning from large data sets, systematic program design from Kitzales, etc etc. No videos, but I can't have enough of Stonebraker's readings on databases.

For me learning from such professors makes the whole thing much more enjoyable, an experience to savour, on top of learning loads.

If you want advice on material, tell me what you want to learn, I have surveyed tons of freely available courses.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

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If you have an extremely good textbook with exercises: 1) Every weekday 30min uninterrupted study at a specific time, preferably in the morning. Don't miss, rain or shine. Take weekends off, though. 2) Work in a strict linear fashion: read a chapter, then solve all of that chapter's exercises in order without skipping any, and only then allow yourself to peek at the next chapter. Don't "take a first pass through the…

> If you're having trouble with some exercise, you can look up the answer key for that specific exercise, but only after you've spent 5 minutes of effort on that specific exercise without making progress.

I've wondered what the ideal time of effort is on several occasions. Sometimes I'll get stuck on an algorithm problem and no matter what technique I try I can't make progress. Sometimes I'll try for days, until I eventually just give up. That's obviously not ideal, but I think 5 minutes is too short for this situation. I worry that I won't internalize the solution or technique very well unless I've wrestled around in the problem space for a while first.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#187

I'm hoping my reply is more helpful than it sounds at first glance... This is one of those questions where I read and then exclaim (rhetorically), "what's wrong with people?!" Don't take this the wrong way, I often exclaim this. You are quite possibly in the majority and I'm the odd one. To me it has always seemed inherently clear that the way to approach life is to do something if you enjoy it. If you stop enjoying…

If I only did things I enjoyed, I wouldn’t be able to live because I don’t enjoy most house work, cooking, shopping, plenty of necessary things at work (and I have changed work a few times to maximise what I do enjoy, but there’s limits), etc. I do feel that a large reason why mundane, boring or unenjoyable things are so hard has to do with overstimulation from low effort high dopamine activities. It becomes much eas…

Which is why the ultimate move is to teach yourself to enjoy the things you know you need to do.

Having kids helps with enjoying chores. "No babe, it's OK, I'll take the dishes and listen to my podcast. You just watch the kids."

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

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post #129

I'm hoping my reply is more helpful than it sounds at first glance... This is one of those questions where I read and then exclaim (rhetorically), "what's wrong with people?!" Don't take this the wrong way, I often exclaim this. You are quite possibly in the majority and I'm the odd one. To me it has always seemed inherently clear that the way to approach life is to do something if you enjoy it. If you stop enjoying…

Some people enjoy doing useful things (my wife is one), others enjoy useless things (me - mostly video games, reading random trivia online, or trying new recipes which is nice but doesn't pay the bills). So if I were to take your advice (and honestly, I mostly do run like that) it means a lot of time spent doing something ephemeral with no real lasting benefit. I think your last point applies to me. I wish I could su…

You just haven't found something that you're interested in which also happens to intersect with being useful, yet.

Exploring more interests and different ways of doing things changed a lot of things for me.

Things can also change when you know how to do things in a way that aligns with you. I used to hate cooking, but found my take on it.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the other comments here this seems like a common sentiment. I do indeed do things which are not enjoyable in the strictest sense, as you phrase it. However I do still think my original comment is true, so perhaps there is some finessing to be done here. I'm not sure I have the answer though. Perhaps there are different kinds of 'enjoyment'. And perhaps I'm personally willing to accept some immediate suffering be…

I find it so curious you think of something like a marathon as Type 2 activity. For me it's the supreme Type 1 activity. As in when I am running there is nothing else I'd rather be doing even with the pain etc.

Yeah, running isn’t my natural sport. I did it with some friends because someone dropped out, and it actually sounded pretty fun. It wasn’t a hardcore marathon in very many ways. It was the Medoc marathon in France, in which each stop is a vineyard where you drink some of their wine before running another 2km. At the 40km mark there are oysters, and then at 42km there is ice cream (!). I think my time was 7h30 (certainly nothing to brag about), but I did drink about three bottles of wine on the way around. It was actually a lot of fun mixed in with a lot of suffering. Glad I did it, I wouldn’t do it again.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#190

I am doing something similar, it's not easy. I am late to the party, but in case this helps, this is what works for me: First, the most important thing is that you must really, really want it. I don't think that anyone ever got good at something hard that they didn't find interesting, or, if they did, it must have been sheer torture. If this is not the case, the sooner you accept it and move on, the better, to avoid…

> I prefer depth over breadth. > I stick to one course at a time, full inmersion.

Oh, the opposite is working for me. I’m learning about three things at the same time. Reasons:

- Too much time on the same topic and I get tired. For example, I’m learning databases. If I spend one hour per day every day on learning databases, after two months I get bored on the topic. But if I learn databases on Mondays and Fridays, I’m still motivated after several months.

- Spaced repetition. I’m learning Python, SQL and data science. If I’d spend one year for SQL, one year for Python, and one year for Linear Algebra, on the fourth year I’d forgot SQL :). I prefer to learn a limited set of related things simultaneously. All three are fresh in the fourth year and spaced repetition makes learning more effective.

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