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Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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I had a fear of flying, which I overcame completely by accident: I started playing a realistic flight sim for a while. Because it was realistic, I had to learn the basics of how to actually fly a plane. It taught me two things: what some of the noises, the vibrations, and the movements were; and how hard it is to actually crash a plane. Once you made it in the air, you'll want to try crashing your plane in the game (…

We're building a VR simulation of flying specifically for the purpose of overcoming fear of flying. It uses some of the same principles you mention: -Repeated exposure to a realistic flying experience (in our case, it goes gradually since it's designed for people with a fear) -Specifically learning about some of the different noises planes make -Getting exposure to the vibrations, noises, turbulence, etc that you'll…

Please, please, please, please complete this project. Like the OP, I have an ever increasing, ever debilitating, downright crippling fear of flying. It's only getting worse as I get older, and I'm already missing out on opportunities because of it.

I have an Oculus Rift, and would happily pay for such a simulator.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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United used to have a feature called "From the Flight Deck" where you could listen to live radio communications between your pilots and air traffic control. Unfortunately, it's now only available on a few routes and planes: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/... I found it very comforting to listen to it during an entire flight, because you could find out what the pilots of your flight were a…

As a pilot myself, I loved that feature. Too bad they discontinued it, so there is no good reason for me to fly United anymore :)

Yep. I loved to listen to that communication even as a non-pilot... all the way from the ground where sometimes I could hear the discussions about trying to leave the gate (or getting a gate on arrival if we were late) and all the way in between. I use to go out of my way to fly United just because of that feature.

Probably the cheapest value add the airline had, even for the relatively few that probably cared. Oh well....

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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what really helped me was reading about how airplanes work. The technology was fascinating to me anyway, but once I found out how crazy redundant all the systems were I feel much safer than in a car. A car has redundant brake systems, but that's usually about it. Big commercial planes have 3-4 of nearly everything

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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Psychiatrist here, and long-time fearful flyer who benefited tremendously from CBT. Really impressed by the range of strategies expressed in this thread; I wanted to mention a few things:

1. No one solution will work for everyone, but it's always possible to find something that will help. CBT and its cousins work very well but aren't accessible to everyone (still waiting for a /good/ solution to that, HN) - in those cases I'd encourage people to try some of the distraction and visualization methods, and some of the exposure strategies, described in the comments. (I also like the lottery ticket strategy, it's a great reminder of the odds...)

2. After reading suggestions like these, and even books describing how to /do/ CBT with people afraid of flying, I wasn't better. I knew the right things to say to myself but didn't really believe them. I reluctantly did CBT, and to my great surprise it helped. My experience was that a CBT therapist was very much like a trainer at the gym: I know what to do at the gym, but having someone coach me through it made all the difference.

3. One cognitive strategy that has been helpful to me, in addition to many of the others already noted: force yourself to think, on any given day, about how many flights got where they were going, or at least got somewhere, safely. The answer is all of them. Yes, some were diverted, or returned to the airport - but they all landed. Now, remember that this happens every day - on days with huge storms in the midwest, tornadoes, snowstorms in New England, hail in Florida. For a visual illustration, check out a site like flightaware, and consider just how many commercial planes are in the air at any given time.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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Some of the people I envy the most never fly anywhere! The ferryman down river has an idyllic existence, his one outing beyond the nearest town is to a boat show although he has been known to nip across the English Channel on his other boat to stock up on booze. He has the most wonderful family and pretty much everyone in the locality knows and loves him. He does drive so not all of his life is at single digit speed, however, after a chat with him or his son you do have to wonder why be so busy on these new fangled modes of transport?

Maybe embrace your lack of enthusiasm to fly, it really is not mandatory or even necessary for a happy life. Develop your own perspective on the world and avoid wasting your life sat in airports being frisked by people in uniforms. Take trains, ride a bicycle and question whether you really need to find out about the rest of the world from 30000 feet. Perhaps let the world come to you instead, rather than go on holiday to India spend some time with the Indian folk you work with or live nearby to. Same for every other country, see this approach as better, more cost effective, financially and in time.

There are no pearly gates however, if you just don't fly because that is nothing to do with how you live your life then you need not feel guilt and shame for being complicit in destroying people's right to peace and quiet, not to mention the environment.

Flying isn't what it was, there is no romance in it, it is not special. In the days of Concorde, Trident and when the 747 was new flying wasn't for everyone, you had to be someone to be doing it. You could smoke at your seat then and buy huge bulk packets of cigarettes 'duty free' right there, on the plane. Better? Not necessarily. More exciting? Definitely.

There really is nothing 'time saving' about flying. You can live life to the full without spending a week or two of your year being processed by planes, getting to airports and putting up with delays. Plus there is the time required to pay for all those days flying and the taxi trips. Then if you are not working whilst being processed by Big Aviation then you are not earning. Give the whole lot up and if you do the maths then it is more like a month rather than a few days that you get back per year, time to enjoy living rather than being jet-lagged/flying. Plus those are guilt free happy times - you aren't trashing the skies - and you will be pleased you had this fear of flying thing. Obviously only chuckle to yourself at the antics of those ordinary people doing there ever so busy but tediously dreary flying stuff as they will never give up the Kool Aid.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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Here's some advice I've given to people over the years and hopefully it will work for you. A day before or the day of the flight purchase a lottery ticket. You'll bring this ticket with you on your flight. Before you board have a look at the ticket and verbatim tell yourself this: as lucky as you would have to be to win with that lottery ticket, you would have to be even luckier for your plan to crash. You are not th…

The best part of this advice is that the worst-cast scenario is that you win the lottery.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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There's better advice here than thinking about the odds of a crash, but if that helps, you could also factor in the odds of actually dying in a crash - not just being in one - because that's even rarer. I was on a plane that experienced an "uncontained, catastrophic turbine engine failure" (Delta 1288) that killed two people a few rows behind me. It was traumatic, and I rented a car and drove home instead of flying,…

That must have been terrifying. Can you talk more about what happened between the moment the engine failed and the plane landed safely? How long did it take? Did the captain communicate with passengers frequently? How about flight attendants? What went through your mind? I'm nervous about flying and knowing what happens in this scenario may help me prepare.

The plane didn't leave the ground - the engine blew up as we were accelerating for takeoff. That's now something I now find reassuring: takeoff seems to be a time of maximum stress on the engines - if they're going to break (or explode), hopefully it will be before the plane leaves the ground!

This was 20+ years ago now, but I remember being awed by the performance of the pilots and flight attendants. The plane braked hard right after the explosion, so the pilots clearly noticed it and took immediate action, even though I heard later that people in first class were so far away they didn't initially know why takeoff was aborted. In the moments that followed, one pilot was giving first aid and I saw him run down the aisle - blood on his hands and shirt - to get more help and medical supplies. Yet he was calm and professional throughout.

Some people yelled to "stay calm" or "don't panic", and people listened. Announcements were clear when there was no further danger and how we were to exit.

We were kind of dumped in the terminal at the end of it all, though. I remember an announcement that there were no additional flights that day, so we couldn't get rescheduled until tomorrow. Seriously? There were ambulances, news vans, and Red Cross vans at the terminal almost immediately. The airport was clearly completely closed down - I don't know for how long. And no baggage claim, of course: it took about a week to get our luggage back.

In the weeks that followed, the FAA sent a questionnaire that was extremely detailed. They wanted essays about every aspect of the flight and it took a long time to complete.

A couple of years later, I was on a cruise and met a young pilot who'd just got his first job with an airline. I mentioned this experience, and he said, "No kidding! We totally studied that accident in school!" I find that very reassuring... aviation seems to learn from mistakes and experience better than any industry I've worked in.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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Can you take like a one off intro to flying and fly a plane? Or is it more involved then that?

One advice though is to schedule the first discovery flight closer to sunset when the air is usually very calm and there is no turbulence.

Great tip, similar to evening, early morning is my favourite time to fly because winds seldom pick up in the early dawn morning, plus better visibility and no traffic on the way to the airport. And it's beautiful!

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome fear of flying?

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post #55

I'm currently overcoming this fear myself after putting off flying for several years. It sounds like it might help you to learn more about how flying works. Although it seems dangerous, turbulence is really nothing to be afraid of. I would recommend reading either Flying with Confidence [0] or SOAR [1] to learn more. Think about how often pilots and flight attendants fly and how routine every flight is for them. Comm…

soar helped me a lot. the whole thing with the "strengthening exercise" is pretty hokey and just totally ignorable IMO, but the 5-4-3-2-1 exercise single-handedly solved my problems with turbulence. i do it whenever the plane shakes and it damn near puts me to sleep every time; and over time i find that i don't need to do it as often, because i've gradually become calm by default in turbulence. which is great!

it's totally a night-and-day difference, i used to be terrified of planes and now they're just a mild irritant.

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