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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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Post by snowwrestler »

lubujackson wrote: post #70
snowwrestler wrote: post #65

I had to read the question twice. Dreamweaver was the go-to in 2010 ? I think it was already well on its decline by then. At a new job in 2003 one of my first tasks was to generate new “heat map” code since the company was updating the background image file for 50-state map interfaces. Dreamweaver had the best interface for doing that work, so I got a copy and spent a couple days carefully tracing the 50 state outlin…

Funny story, I'm a SWE and my wife used to work as a marketing manager. Her boss wanted her to make something similar, a heat map over a U.S. map. Except he wanted it to work in Excel. She asked me about it and I told her I could code something like that, but no way inside Excel... Sure enough, she hacked on it for a while and was able to actually build a functioning heat map in Excel. I have no idea how it works. I'…

In one of the most consequential hacks ever, the Chinese broke into RSA in order to then access Lockheed Martin and steal classified info.

They did it by embedding an Adobe Flash object in one cell of an Excel file, which self-executed when the Excel file was opened. Desktop Excel is insane.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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Post by Apreche »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #53
Apreche wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really, it’s more about what Apple did with Flash. iOS not supporting it is what killed it.

Flash being a persistent security hole and memory hog is what killed it. Adobe should have gotten their shit together. Apple saved us from the hell of fixed resolution flash apps and dozens of flash ads on a page.

That’s true, but I think the primary reason Apple did not include support for it was that it killed batteries on mobile devices.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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Post by someothherguyy »

fuzztester wrote: post #126
superfunny wrote: post #116

Dreamweaver? Who remembers Drumbeat 2000?

I vaguely remember HoTMetaL Pro or something like that, by, maybe, SoftQuad? a sales guy in a company where I worked long back, was making a quotation for it, or something like that. update: i googled to check it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftQuad_Software james clark is mentioned there as one of their notable employees. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clark_(programmer)

Had a relative that was a web developer, and I was using hotmetal in 5th grade, self-teaching myself how to write html and publishing things to AngelFire. Those were the days. Thanks SoftQuad.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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Post by kypro »

I learnt to code in the mid-to-late 00s so have very fond memories of Dreamweaver given a lot my first web projects were heavily reliant on it. I also used it in college around that time.

I moved away from it pretty quickly because I stopped using the visual designer in favour of HTML and also started writing PHP so as an IDE it wasn't ideal.

To be honest I'm kind of surprised anyone is still using it... There's a lot of great web WYSIWYG editors out there now and most websites people might want to build can be more quickly and more professionally be built on the back of services like Shopify.

I'd do anything to go back to those days building silly websites with Dreamweaver though. The web was so exciting back then. A lot of the content online really was just people sat there computer playing with Dreamweaver and working things out. You don't really get that anymore (apart from a few homemade blogs posts here).

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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Post by virtualcharles »

teej wrote: post #31

Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time. Early 2000s Adobe was stacked with web technology. They knew where the world was headed, but didn't quite capture it the right way. Flash, Shockwave, Dreamweaver, Macromedia Homesite, Fireworks, Coldfusion, Adobe AIR, LiveMotion, Actionscript 3.0, MXML, Flex. They shipped so much software, it's incredible.

I always felt like Adobe‘s big problem was they were fixated on trying to adapt any web technology to work for print designers, that any design should fit in a certain window size or resolution. This worked ok until mobile devices hit a certain tipping point and the idea of responsive design became king. They didn’t know how to handle that, and the tools fell way behind.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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Post by ssag2 »

tombert wrote: post #75
ssag2 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Macromedia didn't mind the piracy at the time. People learned from pirated versions and then went to work in companies that bought licenses. They bootstrapped the company with that tactic. Same with Flash.

Not trying to make the piracy seem "right" or anything, but I would like to point out that I didn't make any money with the pirated Macromedia software either. I made a couple cartoons that got blammed on Newgrounds, did the examples in the Animator's Survival Kit, and then decided I'm not smart enough to be creative and did software instead.

I worked with Macromedia at the time and they were all for people pirating their software and actually listened to them talk about seeding their betas to pirates.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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Post by xnx »

WillAdams wrote: post #168
nativeit wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FrontPage was indeed terrible, it caused me to make an even worse decision in the 1990’s—-make websites almost entirely out of image maps, and then eventually that terrible idea evolved into the classic terrible approach to early ‘00’s web frontends (bum bum bum): Macromedia Flash and Actionscript (the latter of which I actually remember fondly, although I may just be remembering it with rose-tinted glasses). Edit: c…

Yeah, arguably that was the mindset out of which David Siegel's book _Killer Web Sites_: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/567790.Creating_Killer_W... grew out of. Note the follow-up article: "The Web is Ruined and I Ruined It" https://www.xml.com/pub/a/w3j/s1.people.html

I forgot all about: and

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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Post by xnx »

stevesunderland wrote: post #135

I still open Dreamweaver to use its advanced find/replace tool[1]. You can create complex conditions (eg. "find all a tags with class button and change the tag to button") which is super helpful when refactoring code or converting stuff. I keep thinking about making VSCode extension that has the same capabilities. [1] https://helpx.adobe.com/dreamweaver/using/find-replace-text....

Yes! The search and replace capabilities were amazing. Haven't had the need to do that in a long time.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone still using Dreamweaver?

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Post by ssvt »

zackangelo wrote: post #61
elviejo wrote: post #45

I like dreamweaver. But I could still code html by hand with HotDogPro. The one that I really miss is Macromedia Fireworks. The perfect mix between vector editor + html editor + OOP. And to think that it did all of that in the metadata of a binary format (png). Nothing has come close.

Allaire Homesite anyone? It was a sad day for me when it got bought and integrated into Dreamweaver.

Agreed! Built my first e-commerce site with Homesite and Coldfusion in 1996.
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