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Re: Ask HN: Math books that made you significantly better at math?

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Books do not make you better at math. Working math problems makes you better at math. Go ahead, down vote all you want. Reading about running does not make you a better runner. You can watch 1000 marathons, sprinters, Olympians. You may get _ideas_ for running, but it will never make you a better runner. To be a better runner you have to do it. To be a better programmer/mathematician/physicist/whatever, you need to g…

Reading math textbooks typically involves solving a lot of problems, so you saying it like it's books OR problem solving doesn't make sense.

Re: Ask HN: Math books that made you significantly better at math?

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The classical stuff is great: * Geometry and the imagination by Hilbert and Cohn-Vossen * Methods of mathematical physics by Courant and Hilbert * A comprehensive introduction to differential geometry by Spivak (and its little brothers Calculus and Calculus on manifolds ) * Fourier Analysis by Körner * Arnold's books on ODE, PDE and mathematical physics are breathtakingly beautiful. * The shape of space by Weeks * So…

I've had this idea of starting back at basics and relearning math from the beginning since I never "really" learned it besides memorizing and skirting my way through it in school. Do you know a good path or book that's suitable for that?

I had a similar thought back in 2014. I had only studied the maths required for various engineering courses I’d taken.

So, I decided I wanted to study maths for the maths. I was in the fortunate position of being able to self fund myself through the Open University (uk based) Maths and Statistics BSc. One module at a time I’m now on my last module. There many things I’d studied before (calculus, sequences) and many new to me (group theory, graph theory)

Re: Ask HN: Math books that made you significantly better at math?

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The Time/Life book "Mathematics" published 1969. I was in 2nd grade, liked mathematics and saw a book with that name and pictures. It was a high level survey of a lot of mathematical concepts, explaining things in a way I could understand at that age, but also in a way that wouldn't be talking down to me today.

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I've been flirting with the idea of working through all of Leonard Euler's publications (as a life goal). Many of them are still not translated from Latin, so there's a possibility I may have to learn it. Anyone knows how long it would take to learn enough latin to undertake such a task?

If you're trying to understand a domain work (such as Euler's) you could probably get a working knowledge in a month of strong study, a year of off-and-on. I bet you could start this week if you used machine translations as a crutch. I'd start working with a publication that exists in Latin and a good translation, so you can compare your work.

Thank you! Sounds much less intimidating.

My fear with machine translations is that subtle errors here and there might throw me off in something like math where things are precisely stated.

A year of part time study sounds doable though

Re: Ask HN: Math books that made you significantly better at math?

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Honestly, unless you're very gifted, a book on its own is not going to be enough to really develop your skills. You need to work interactively with a teacher. Getting a degree in math is a good start, but even then it will be limited if you don't work with other people, go to office hours, form relationships with professors---embed yourself in the culture, so to speak. I think getting engaged with an online community…

Honestly, unless you're very gifted, a book on its own is not going to be enough to really develop your skills. You need to work interactively with a teacher.

Wouldn't that depend on what level of skill we're talking about? I believe that most people who need to learn just, say, high-school algebra/geometry/trigonometry/etc. can probably do so with "just books" if they are motivated.

Heck, I'd even venture that most anybody who is motivated enough can learn at least through Calc III on their own using online resources. I'm going through Calc III right now actually, using a combination of books and online videos, and there hasn't been anything that has struck me as particularly challenging so far. This after only making it to Calc I before I dropped out of school "back in the day".

Getting a degree in math is a good start, but even then it will be limited if you don't work with other people, go to office hours, form relationships with professors---embed yourself in the culture, so to speak.

I think these things would be critical if one wants to become a mathematician. But for somebody who just wants to learn more math for the purpose of reading (non math) research papers (maybe in machine learning to pick an obvious, if possibly trite, example), solving problems in everyday life or at work, or possibly even for doing research in another (non math) field and then writing up their research, I would think of all of those things as being "nice, sure, if you have access, time, money etc. But not even close to absolutely essential".

Unfortunately the OP didn't really say what their goal is, so it's hard to say what advice makes the most sense for them.

Also unfortunate is that for probably most people who are working career professionals, there likely isn't enough free time available to go back and do an actual math degree in school. So learning on ones own from books, videos, etc. is probably the only viable choice.

Re: Ask HN: Math books that made you significantly better at math?

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Reading Euclid's Elements and Newton's Principia really helped me get an intuitive feel for geometry and calculus. They may not be entirely easy (at least the second) without some commentary, but well worth the study.

While it's laudable that you sought those texts and profited from them, I worry about what others might take away from this. When I was young I knew some geniuses who highly spoke of Principia and how it gave them great insights. And the teenager me said, okay cool, I'll have a go! The problem is that it's in Latin and quite impenetrable. We have some geniuses here and they would no doubt be able to take away a lot f…

Physics for Mathematicians by Spivak is basically the Principia updated to modern prose and rigor.

Re: Ask HN: Math books that made you significantly better at math?

#179

Honestly, unless you're very gifted, a book on its own is not going to be enough to really develop your skills. You need to work interactively with a teacher. Getting a degree in math is a good start, but even then it will be limited if you don't work with other people, go to office hours, form relationships with professors---embed yourself in the culture, so to speak. I think getting engaged with an online community…

Honestly, unless you're very gifted, a book on its own is not going to be enough to really develop your skills. You need to work interactively with a teacher. Wouldn't that depend on what level of skill we're talking about? I believe that most people who need to learn just, say, high-school algebra/geometry/trigonometry/etc. can probably do so with "just books" if they are motivated. Heck, I'd even venture that most…

I basically agree with what you're saying.

My response was based on the reader saying something about "mathematical thinking" in their post. In my experience, programmers talking about "mathematical thinking" usually have math insecurity and are referring to more advanced topics, thinking they need to consult tomes of deep mathematical wisdom to correct this deficiency (wrong). Could be totally off base, of course. But note some of the other replies here, suggesting very sophisticated books. Are they appropriate for a random HN poster who is soliciting random book suggestions to improve their "mathematical thinking"...? Seems unlikely to me...

One caveat, though:

... Also unfortunate is that for probably most people who are working career professionals, there likely isn't enough free time available to go back and do an actual math degree in school. So learning on ones own from books, videos, etc. is probably the only viable choice.

I'm not so sure about this. If, like you say, someone is in a job where they need to read some papers with some math in them, they should be organizationally near someone who can help them out. If possible, I think a better strategy (better even than getting a degree) would be to find these people and develop a relationship with them to the point where you can ask them questions. They should then be able to explain any unclear notation, unfamiliar (simple) concepts, etc. Possibly some of that person's advice might come in the form of "watch a Khan Academy video on Topic X". But this will be a far more productive use of time than self-directed learning in this case.

On the other hand, if they aren't near anyone with those skills but they're reading these papers... something is probably amiss. For example, if they're reading a machine learning paper which requires a significant knowledge of "engineering math" (Calc 3, linear algebra, etc.), and there is no one with that knowledge nearby... having them read that paper is probably a waste of time from an organizational perspective.

There's also the question of why they're reading that paper when they don't have those basic mathematical skills. Without those skills, it is unlikely they will be able to do very much that is useful with it. If they want to implement the algorithm because they think it will be suitable for some task, I would argue that without those skills they are not in a good position to be able to accurately assess whether the algorithm will perform well. Part of what you learn in an advanced degree is how to read a paper---i.e., how to sniff out the bull shit, what to be wary of, etc.

Re: Ask HN: Math books that made you significantly better at math?

#180
To add one more thing: the "thing" that has helped me most lately isn't a specific book or video or anything, but rather simply committing to spending 1 hour every day on math. I even set up a Google Calendar task to remind me of this every. single. day.

And so far this year I haven't missed a day yet. Now what constitutes that hour can vary. It can be watching math videos, it can be solving problems on paper, and I might even let myself count futzing around with numerical computing stuff or something at some point. In practice so far it's basically always either watching videos, reading books, or doing exercises (from books).

I won't claim that everybody must do this, or that you need to commit 1 hour every day. Maybe 30 minutes would be fine. Or maybe some people who can spare the time would be well served to commit 2 hours a day. Who knows? But having some kind of routine strikes me as something that most people would probably find valuable.

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