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Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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And this is exactly the reason I self host[0]. I am pretty sure it's not just me. I have seen r/selfhosted[1] skyrocket in it popularity over past year or two. The number of applications that you can self host are increasing daily. The only problem at the moment with self hosting seems to be the maintenance and setup but that also will be solved once many people start doing it. History repeats itself. Self hosting to…

Great, let’s make a subscription based service to help people easily self-host…

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Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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Yes, but also no.

I think we have to look at why everything became a subscription based model before we even talk about how the model is being abused now. When I was a kid, everyone was a pirate. Napster and Limewire were king because. Buying movies and music was absurdly expensive and extremely inconvenient. Amazon didn't exist and if your local record store didn't have something good luck. If you were in a smaller town, good luck getting a movie if Wallmart or your local mom and pop didn't have it (if you even had a Wallmart). But then Hollywood Video and Blockbuster ended up eating into the video pirating because let's be real, we only are going to watch that movie once and then it sits in storage. Now you have racks and cabinets full of tapes and disks. (My brother even had his car window smashed in where someone stole his entire CD collection) It was bulky and inconvenient, so renting made things easier. Music was the same way. But services like Napster weren't just free, they were FAR more convenient. That's why Spotify has taken over and to this day won. Convenience. I think Benn Jordan (The Flashbulb) did a good video talking about the music side of this argument (including software), so I'll let his video say more[0].

There's a second problem that has led to our hardware crisis. Where hardware is cheaper than ever but if you don't attach a subscription model some manufacturer in China will sell the same thing 10x cheaper than you. See Boston Dynamic's robotic dogs. Reverse engineering hardware is pretty easy, see K-13 missile[1].

The problem today, is that now EVERYTHING has become a subscription based model and we're basically back to where we were before (notice the resurgence in piracy lately?). So I think the problem is that we learned a lesson but we didn't learn THE lesson, of what people are actually after. I don't think our modern video streaming services are much different than buying cable in the past.

So I think the trillion dollar question is: what is the new model that learns THE lesson? But that has a lot of sub-questions, including what it is actually that people want. Surely convenience and accessibility is one, but that's clearly not all. Though the solution to this may be impossible, because no one wants to centralize everything into a single player (and I'm not convinced that's a great idea either, despite the success of services like Pirate Bay, Napster, and PopcornTime).

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7EHRpnJICQ

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-13_(missile)

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

#173
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It gives me faith that they can actually sustain their business and pay their employees to maintain and improve the service over time. > Owning software is worthless to me because their effective lifespans are so short anyway, usually just a couple years, before the ecosystem has moved on and left them behind anyway. I find it strange that these two sentences are in the same comment.

Yes, it's a very modern take on a recent problem. I used VLC, Firefox (Phoenix), LibreOffice (OOo), MSOffice, paint, photofiltre, and notepad++ when I was a teen. They still work today. The trending app ecosystem, the social network du jour and the JS framework fever seem to have given the impression to the new generation that there is not other way to do this.

Many of those would be broken in various ways if they were not updated. For starters: VLC due to missing codecs, firefox not supporting newer standards. All the software you mentioned was most likely heavily updated since your teens.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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Not really, because I saw too many software companies go out of business because not enough people wound up upgrading to the next major version -- the ownership model of software can be awfully feast-or-famine for developers' income, it's a very tough/risky business model. Generally speaking, I'm happy to pay a subscription because this way I get a steady stream of all the updates, and it's much more likely the compa…

Yeah the problem with software these days is the constant upgrade cycle.

Own-it-for-life means "I expect free updates for the next 20 years" which as we've seen with the mIRC author isn't the best business model. Turns the software developer into indentured servitude to all the people who bought it in the past.

The JetBrains model where you own it up need to rent it to get upgrades seems to work reasonably well, but given how languages like C# and Rust are moving forwards all the time you want get those upgrades. Since I want to see the developers doing that work for me, it seems rational that I should be paying them.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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Not really, because I saw too many software companies go out of business because not enough people wound up upgrading to the next major version -- the ownership model of software can be awfully feast-or-famine for developers' income, it's a very tough/risky business model. Generally speaking, I'm happy to pay a subscription because this way I get a steady stream of all the updates, and it's much more likely the compa…

What the heck subscription models are you using? In my experience the software gets broken over time and you can't do anything about it, including RUN THE OLD VERSION WHICH WORKED. There's no longer as much incentive for companies to improve because they'll get paid anyway instead of payment being contingent on actually delivering something useful. Yes subscription models are good for developers, no this doesn't make…

I am fine with the subscription model of IntelliJ and their IDEs.

The progress is real and if you stop paying, you lose the ability to upgrade your IDE, but the older versions still work.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

#176
Personally I'm tired of walled gardens. I have nothing against paying a newspaper to read it, but I want to read it via RSS, with full articles in the feed, so I can choose some newspapers, save their logins as needed, and get all the news in a single UI on my desktop instead of having various different crappy modern web sites who do allow much profiling on me, but very little usability on my side.

Similarly I'm tired of baking porcals to be even worse coupled with mobile second factory auth instead of a classic physical OFFLINE time-based tocken, who do not allow OFX or similar feeds, some even do not offer decent exporting options and of course NO ONE IS THE SAME being different banks even if MY damn USAGE is the same.

And so on. Long story short: I accept to pay someone else works, because we use money as a tool to interact in society to get what we all want in more or less fair compensations BUT I do not accept and very tired of crappy IT choices not to ask for money but to trap users, munge more then formally paid money and offer far less with a coat of colorful nice crappy UI.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

#177
I have kept my desktop software as a one-time payment for a version N license (pay 40% to upgrade to version N+1) since I started in 2005, when this was the most common model. But I do look a bit enviously at products that charge a subscription - it would be nice to get that steady income. But I don't really want to completely change model at this point. So I may offer a choice of perpetual license or 1 year sub at the next major upgrade. It does add a bit more friction to the purchasing process though.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

#179
Yes, in part -

If it's a _service_ I'm happy to pay a subscription (e.g. streaming TV series, an ad-free version of a podcast, Kagi search etc...).

If it's software - I will try to avoid the product if it requires a subscription, and instead either purchase software outright (with the expectation that I may need to in 3-4 years again for a major rewrite) or stick with Open Source alternatives.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

#180
I just flat out refuse to use it if I feel the subscription is rent-seeking. So far I don't feel like I've missed out on any must-haves because of this policy.

One thing I'd like to pay for but won't because of rent-seeking subscription is Roland's VST audio plugins. I'd happily pay hundreds of dollars for them if I could BUY them, but that's not an option. Instead, I'm holding on to my Roland XV5080 hardware synthesizer module, instead of replacing it with the software alternative, which I'd very much want.

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