Given this model shift, what differentiators exist? In a service world, it's all about timeliness, fitness for purpose, driver professionalism and cost. Nobody gives a shit about which hardware widget the manufacturer stuffed in the body anymore. It's literally irrelevant. They've lost the customer to the service provider, in the same way that telcos lost their customers to mobile device manufacturers. Telco data was commodified and SMS and phone use nosedived, just as vehicles are now commodified and demand for abnormal features is surely dwindling. Smart manufacturers will become the service provider, thereby vertically integrating to gain maximum profit, at the same time removing old customer-facing assumptions around vehicle maintenance and related logistics paths to minimize downtime and cut costs. Driving, at least in cities, will be seen as something poor people do to earn/save money. Fully autonomous EV fleet maintenance stations by 2035.
Ask HN: What will be the future differentiator in electric vehicles?
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Re: Ask HN: What will be the future differentiator in electric vehicles?
#172Arguably were are already there. Every car on the market gets to the speed limit quick enough and gets about the same MPG, so therefore cars are already in this nike shoe to balenciaga state, since the actual added performance functionality you get in the porsche today is useless, dangerous, and illegal except on private tracks (and maybe 1% of owners will bring their cars to one of these, far more will drive their c…
Re: Ask HN: What will be the future differentiator in electric vehicles?
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
Range anxiety regarding electric vehicles seems to be something that mostly afflicts those who do not have an EV. I have a 2015 Model S 70D with a range of about 330 km. In the three years and 70 thousand km that I have been driving it I have had only three occasions when I was anxious about the range. Most new EVs have better range than that so most buyers of new EVs from now on should have even less reason to be co…
> Range anxiety... it also affects early buyers who knew it, like our 2014 BMW i3's range, original small battery, is around 70 miles. I imagine range anxiety is a function of total battery capacity, to your point somewhat. But my 70 miles (or so) range means i have to be very aware where i can recharge.
But those who make the most noise about range always seem to be those who do not have an EV. And also there do not seem to be many accounts of people going back to ICE cars.
Re: Ask HN: What will be the future differentiator in electric vehicles?
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
All EVs have fast enough acceleration (some dangerously so.) So competition there is not going to continue. I'm less sure about that. I think it will remain a distinctive feature that people will actively choose for or against, at least. The new Mini EV from BMW (and which is replacing the i3 as BMW's 'flagship' EV) has only 0-60 in 7s which is not very interesting at all. But they're not aiming at the performance cr…
Most people won't fork over an extra 10k for a 2s faster 0 - 60 i guess.
Re: Ask HN: What will be the future differentiator in electric vehicles?
#175The futurologists think that most people would just stop buying cars altogether. Once there is a self-driving (electric) car that you can order from your phone and that will — cheaply! — take you from point A to point B, the need in owning a car will (mostly) disappear. The people would stop being car buyers. Instead, robo-taxi companies will buy most of the cars. For these, there would be no need in brands or market…
That puts a double burden on infrastructure. Every car trip becomes 2 trips - one to your house, then one to your destination. It's hard to imagine that winning over car ownership, without some other powerful force involved.
Re: Ask HN: What will be the future differentiator in electric vehicles?
#176Arguably were are already there. Every car on the market gets to the speed limit quick enough and gets about the same MPG, so therefore cars are already in this nike shoe to balenciaga state, since the actual added performance functionality you get in the porsche today is useless, dangerous, and illegal except on private tracks (and maybe 1% of owners will bring their cars to one of these, far more will drive their c…
Has the playing field leveled between Tesla and all others in terms of an accessible and reliable charging network now? That's still the main reason I would buy a Tesla for anything other than a city commuter but I may be behind the times.
Re: Ask HN: What will be the future differentiator in electric vehicles?
#177The futurologists think that most people would just stop buying cars altogether. Once there is a self-driving (electric) car that you can order from your phone and that will — cheaply! — take you from point A to point B, the need in owning a car will (mostly) disappear. The people would stop being car buyers. Instead, robo-taxi companies will buy most of the cars. For these, there would be no need in brands or market…
Re: Ask HN: What will be the future differentiator in electric vehicles?
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We see front-wheel-drive, rear-wheel-drive and all-wheel-drive electric vehicles on the road today, driven by 1, 2 or 3 motors. We've seen designs (I don't think any of them are in production yet) with 4 motors - one for each wheel. This differentiation is superfluous with EVs, and I believe we will not see this living much longer. There is not much differentiation besides linear cost/performance progression. Motor…
> This differentiation is superfluous with EVs, and I believe we will not see this living much longer. Am I understanding your statement correctly? Are you implying that FWD/RWD/AWD doesn't matter for an EV? Because from a handling and safety perspective, it matters just as much in an EV as it does in an ICE.
Nobody will be racing them, otherwise the stability provided by weight should be very good.
However, I don't see a real reason for FWD electric cars other than those being retrofit models.
Re: Ask HN: What will be the future differentiator in electric vehicles?
#179https://siamagazin.com/a-self-balancing-two-wheeled-motorcyc...
Re: Ask HN: What will be the future differentiator in electric vehicles?
#180I'm surprised how many people don't realize that a VW Passat is a dressed down Audi (A/S/RS)6 is dressed up as Porsche Panamera.
Why do people spend hundreds of dollars on a brand of jeans, when they can buy levi's for 50 bucks (or other brands even cheaper).
The same can be said for many industries. Why did you buy the computer or keyboard you're currently typing on. Much of it may have been due to signaling, or it appealing to your tribe.
So will there be a "killer feature" for a car in the future? I suspect there isn't a killer feature today, and I don't suspect that change.