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Take your xenophobic yammering elsewhere please.
Please don't sink to this regardless of how bad another comment is.
Ask HN: What happens next after a successful lockdown?
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Re: Ask HN: What happens next after a successful lockdown?
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those Darwin award winners will be the first to get it.
How does that work? Killing the elderly reduces the support network available to rear your children, and so reduces your ability to sustain your genes?
Not in the system where state is paid from everyone's taxes to take care both about kids and elders :(.
Re: Ask HN: What happens next after a successful lockdown?
#173The South Korean model: 1. Build up testing and contact tracing capabilities. 2. Massive mask making, everyone required to wear a mask in public. 3. Hospitals reconfigured to deal with covid patients. People can then go outside and mingle again.
What kind of masks are effective? The one I have seems weird, I just feel the water vapour touching my eyes when I exhale.
I guess the mask would block the sneeze/cough projectiles and small spits while talking but if I were sitting in the public transit the water vapour would float around.
Re: Ask HN: What happens next after a successful lockdown?
#174The South Korean model: 1. Build up testing and contact tracing capabilities. 2. Massive mask making, everyone required to wear a mask in public. 3. Hospitals reconfigured to deal with covid patients. People can then go outside and mingle again.
What kind of masks are effective? The one I have seems weird, I just feel the water vapour touching my eyes when I exhale. I guess the mask would block the sneeze/cough projectiles and small spits while talking but if I were sitting in the public transit the water vapour would float around.
Masks are not effective unless you combine them with all the other PPE and have training in how to use them.
Without those masks increase your risk.
Don't wear masks.
Listen to literally all the medical advice telling you not to wear masks, unless you've been advised by people treating you to wear a mask. (eg one person in a family is infected and the family is self isolating).
Re: Ask HN: What happens next after a successful lockdown?
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
> During the 2018 eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo outbreak, four investigational treatments were initially available to treat patients with confirmed Ebola. For two of those treatments, called regeneron (REGN-EB3) and mAb114, overall survival was much higher. These two antiviral drugs currently remain in use for patients with confirmed Ebola. How is this not a cure? If you mean that the cure doesn't save 100…
Ebola fatality rate ranges between 25-100%. The only thing that we have as the data is that with these two drugs the fatality rate might be less than 100% . Because Ebola is extremely aggressive and is largely contained to isolated areas its carriers tend to die and everything those people were in contact with is destroyed. Same goes for patients that contract Ebola and recover. That was the protocol for EVD outbreak…
mAb114 and REGN-EB3 have shown success with lowering the mortality rate from ~70% to about 34%; they are cures.
Sure, we don't have a cure for COVID, but this has nothing to do we the fact that we have cures for totally unrelated virus-caused diseases.
Re: Ask HN: What happens next after a successful lockdown?
#176A rational move would be to lock everyone down until a vaccine is proven safe and efficacious can be delivered to enough people. Since no one other than indigenous people living near bats have any immunity to beta-coronaviruses, it doesn't make sense to expose billions of people to unnecessary risks when we can pause nearly all social- economic activity until immune defense is possible or supplies run low. The vaccin…
Do you think the world could handle two years of two supply chains being disrupted and shut down?
Re: Ask HN: What happens next after a successful lockdown?
#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
Today and yesterday I have seen countless people who just dont care. Viral pandemic currently causing society to shut down? Let's go meet in a cafe! And that's not even the, sorry, assholes at the supermarkets. It was insane today.
The supermarket is not necessarily an optional trip. People have to eat, and if they're not eating in cafes, they're going to get their food at the market.
For clarification, I went to the supermarket myself precisely because of the point you raised. My argument was more against the behavior that people display.
Re: Ask HN: What happens next after a successful lockdown?
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
As of tonight in France, the governement just forbad citizen to go outside FOR WHATEVER REASON unless you have an authorization delivered by the prime minister site for : 1) essential work that cannot be done remotly, 2) essential shopping and 3) walking / jogging alone to not get mad and stay healthy. For now, nobody really know anything about this authorization whose details will be available in the following hours…
How's this enforced?
As long as you are lucky enough not to get caught by the cops, everything is fine. However, they start to deploy heavely and there is really poor chance you don't meet cops.
Once they caught you, they ask for the printed document [1] either properly filled with required information or handwritten on a paper. Next they keep it, so you have to provide another one the next time.
If you don't comply with the rules, you get fined from 38€ to 135€.
If you go out to buy food or other vital important goods (soap, toothpaste, ...), you are required to go only on governement approuved shops. For now, few people succeed to get that list of official shops and you see almost everyone going were they can find food.
Honestly, people are really scared and very angry because three to four days ago, the government said everyting is fine, no need to worry, let's keep calm, let's be goods citizen, don't hurry on shops, and bla and bla and bla.
In the end, civilized people like me just understood they have been abused because while they tried to stay good citizens, bastard emptied shops and as of now, you are very lucky if you can find something to eat or even a soap, at the price of hours long waiting queue on the parking of the shops.
By the way, even before the quarantine, you couldn't buy as many goods a you wanted : since yesterday morning and in almost every shops, supply is very, very limited and you can only buy a limited number of the same item, although the limits are not official and/or legal (for now).
It's not North Korea, but it's almost like ...
[1] https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/content/download/121663/976885...
Re: Ask HN: What happens next after a successful lockdown?
#179The primary goal right now is to flatten the curve so the growth doesn't stay exponential for any longer than it has to. Once that flattens out and the growth rate slows or decreases a concerns is that folks will head back out, assuming the coast is clear. That could cause a second wave of infections that restarts this whole thing. Folks not taking this seriously is a problem, imagine what happens when folks who don'…
Subsequent waves should be a lot easier to contain if we’re prepared for them and act immediately at the first signs of renewed spread. Apart from contact tracing, judicious use of targeted, local lockdowns in areas where community spread pops up again can prevent the need for country-wide lockdowns.
Health worker will be exhausted, so it will be harder
Re: Ask HN: What happens next after a successful lockdown?
#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, I noticed the flatten the curve graphs have a horizontal line about "available beds". It probably also represents available healthcare workers, equipment, etc. Surely this line can be made to move. E.g. when China sent a plane with doctors and equipment to Italy. Or simpler, find suitable buildings and make hospitals out of them (easier said than done, obviously).
The issue is the people who need to be hospitalized in the worst cases go on to require ventilation to force air into their lungs and those machines have a limited supply. On top of that people on ventilation require pretty close observation so you need about 3:1 patient to nurse ratio. Those are the numbers that are hardest to increase rapidly, nurses and ventilator equipment.
I heard a radio program about the life of a UK (I think) surgeon who worked in war zones and crisis regions like Syria, and one thing he found in a hospital was an intensive care unit staffed mostly by Skype cameras to a hospital in Washington, so the very few nurses on site could be directed to the patients most in need, and the remote nurses could watch the vital signs of many patients without having to spend time walking around.
If that was long enough ago to become part of a biography, it must be even more possible these days to get cameras and connectivity to remote hospitals anywhere on Earth with spare capacity of nurses.