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Ask HN: Did you delete your Facebook account in 2018?

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Re: Ask HN: Did you delete your Facebook account in 2018?

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I got banned from facebook this year.

So some background. I used facebook as a normal user from 2010 to 2012. I thought it was stupid on day 1 but was peer pressured into it (thanks high school) and by 2012 I still thought it was stupid and useless so I quit.

At various intervals between 2012 and now I've had shitposting accounts. Fake names and fake pictures but most people in the friends list knew who was behind the mask (and frustratingly would address me instead of the mask). At some point I was posing as an over the top Chinese nationalist, reposting everything from China daily and xinhua. Using FB in this quasi anonymous way is so liberating. You're not playing the same status game as all those other suckers. You're free to touch any political third rail. In fact you're touching the third rail just to touch it. You don't even care what you're saying. You can completely make a mockery of the banality which consumes social media. I used to begin posts with "speaking as a mother" despite being very obviously male. It is like you're the only one who sees the emperor has no clothes, and you're sitting there jiggling his willy and everyone else is still insisting he's wearing pants.

Anyway my last account was one "Fiona Lockhardt". Her profile pic was a purple pen which had a smiley face and boobs added in ms paint. For people who know me, Fiona really is the name of my pen. It is a pen that I built but it is also a lockpick. I named it after a girl in the office who was caught stealing things. I would use this account to interject into conversations with ostensibly on topic information but secretly I was making lock puns. I would post sterotypically girly vacation photos but with the pen in various poses such as sitting on an airplane or drinking starbucks.

Importantly, none of the pictures posted were me. 100% of uploaded photos were the pen with a face added in ms paint. So one day facebook decides that something about my login is suspicious. They ask me to upload a picture to confirm my identity. They won't let me upload a picture of the pen because they failed to detect a face in the picture. So I upload a photo of Mark Zuckerberg. It goes to manual review and then my account gets locked. Ironic, Fiona could unlock things for others, but couldn't unlock her own account.

Do I care? No not really. Facebook was just a stupid site on the internet from day 1. It never deserved to be taken seriously.

Re: Ask HN: Did you delete your Facebook account in 2018?

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post #162

No. I actually created a Facebook account in 2018. The problem is that without Facebook you will miss out. Sure, close friends and family will invite you to their social events, but more distant acquaintances will not; you know, the bloke you met at the pub last week and had a 20 minute chat with, or that cute girl you talked to but then she suddenly she was dragged off to a birthday party by her friends. By missing…

The reason your friend suggestions were still there is because your email or phone number is in your friends contact list on their phone, and that data is shared with Facebook. This indirect information about you is called a shadow profile, deleting your FB account does not delete the shadow profile because the data belongs to your friends, not you.

I'm pretty sure that is not the case here, or at least not completely. These are people I never met outside of Facebook and I initially got involved through IRC. They certainly never had my phone; besides, it had changed from my old Dutch to new UK number anyway. My email has been stable for some time, but I never used it to communicate with this crowd, I'd consider it unlikely that it matched there, too.

Re: Ask HN: Did you delete your Facebook account in 2018?

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post #78

Huh, this is a tricky one. I did not delete it, since I do use it for login to many sites and many friends, coworkers and groups that I find relevant use it, however I took few effective steps that almost eliminated its usage: - turning of notifications - removing the app from the main screen, and putting it in a random folder (I tried deleting it, but for 2FA I need to have its key generator, so I keep the app) This…

If you only need it for 2FA, maybe install it on a second Android profile, fast switching is pretty nice

Re: Ask HN: Did you delete your Facebook account in 2018?

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No, and I won't delete my Facebook account in 2018 or 2019. I log in to Facebook Feed maybe once every 2 - 3 months, just to see how the space looks like, always disappointed in how irrelevant the information is to me. No friend posts, no insightful publishing, just randomly shared articles, ads, sponsored content and page suggestions. I also do Instagram sometimes, that feels a bit more towards what I want in that I…

> […] it's not necessary to drop a service as long as you get to control how it works for you > The data mining and shadow profiling are the cost you pay for a free service That seems a bit contradictory to me. If you could control how something worked, you could also control what data is being mined and so on. Fact is, you can't; even when you tell Facebook not to, they still manage to find ways to do so. Also, once…

I'm not arguing for control of how a service works, but control of how it works _for you_, _if_ it works for you. From my understanding, Facebook is a for profit company doing their best to get as much data as they can from me and offering x, y and z services in return. So then the question becomes, can I make this service work for me in a way that I feel comfortable with? I believe I can.

I can block most of that tracking through various channels, while also using the platform in a way that brings me value. I am feeding Facebook data when using their platform and I believe that is somewhat fair for them, but I am doing my best to build a system that doesn't feed them additional data, which I believe is unethical.

Do I like Facebook as a company and the direction in which it's going and the societal changes it brings? No. Do I think Facebook has 0 value? Again, no. Do I have an alternative service for keeping up with my friends and family apart from our occasional real life meetups? Strangely enough, I don't think I do.

Once upon a time we had simple HTTP servers sending you server rendered pages, in time, it evolved to a complex ecosystem of requests and responses for each page you visit. Part of that is used to offer us services which were unimaginable "back in the days", but with it came the other part where your behavior becomes heavily trackable.

I remember the old internet, I wish that simplicity came back in a way (somehow without the popups, the toolbars and the risk of running apps on your machine instead of in your browsers), but I think that ship has long sailed, and I'm not sure I'm willing to give up the possibilities of today for that.

Re: Ask HN: Did you delete your Facebook account in 2018?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Facebook and Google will soon be eliminated from my life. I have been trying to do that for a while without success. I have to keep Facebook account because of some professional reasons and at personal level I also it useful to look someone up quickly on Facebook if I am not sure who that person is. As per google some jack ass coworker decides to use google docs and I am forced to keep google account. Sometimes I a…

Even if you ditch your voluntary use of their services (like search, docs, forums), you are still faced with things like reCAPTCHA pervasively track your browsing and gatekeeping your access to large swaths of the internet.

And, if you operate a website, gatekeeping of others access to you.

Re: Ask HN: Did you delete your Facebook account in 2018?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> […] it's not necessary to drop a service as long as you get to control how it works for you > The data mining and shadow profiling are the cost you pay for a free service That seems a bit contradictory to me. If you could control how something worked, you could also control what data is being mined and so on. Fact is, you can't; even when you tell Facebook not to, they still manage to find ways to do so. Also, once…

> […] it's not necessary to drop a service as long as you get to control how it works for you I agree with this, and this is why I still have a FB account (for now). > The data mining and shadow profiling are the cost you pay for a free service I believe the OP was saying that “the way FB mines your data is the cost they charge for their service”, not necessarily that this has always been the cost of every free servi…

Thank you for trying to clarify my point, you are very spot on.

I think Facebook as a service SHOULD have access to how you use the platform AS you use it and if you can stop it from tracking your behavior outside their ecosystem and gamifying your interaction with it, I do believe that there's not that much to gain from deleting your account.

There's an argument to be made for their unethical addiction provoking implementations, but until another platform comes up with a working business model and a lack of psychological tricks, one would be arguing against the windmills.

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