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Re: Ask HN: Anyone else find the new Gmail interface sluggish?

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The N in FAANG stands for Netflix, because people needed an N and FAAG would be awkward.

I've always wondered, why isn't Microsoft included in this? FAMANG maybe?

Because the term has been coined by Jim Cramer to denote the best performing tech stocks at that point in time. It does not take into account anything other than stock growth.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else find the new Gmail interface sluggish?

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I get drastically different performance using Google's services between Firefox and Chrome. I had instant responses in Chrome for Gmail, Chat/Hangouts, Calendar, etc. In Firefox? 4-6 second wait for _every_ interaction. And I don't think the fault is with Firefox here...

There was a post recently about how YouTube uses depreciated web APIs and then polyfills them to every browser that isn't chrome so YouTube loads slow on non chrome browsers.

That's insane. Google's products have taken a nosedive in the past 5 years.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else find the new Gmail interface sluggish?

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One setting I found that has made the new interface slightly more bearable is turning off "Hover actions" under the General tab. It gets rid of that awful box-shadow that makes scanning down the list difficult.

This made a surprising difference in the performance for me. Thanks for the suggestion!

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else find the new Gmail interface sluggish?

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Am a googler (hence throwaway account) & I can easily tell you why this shit keeps happening! Google featureless ZERO penalties for fucking shit up! Zero! Do you know what the people who wasted two years on Allo got after it was canned? Nothing! Some of them actually got promoted! Google GREATLY encourages "launches" - releasing something publicly. And keep in mind - no penalties if the shit is half baked, not workin…

Unfortunately a lot of product manager roles are hired based on how many new products/features that person launched, and not the actual impact to the company or customers (that information is usually confidential or impossible to tease out from one product anyway). In reality the Product Manager roles should often be to nurture products to perfection over the long-term, and to be an absolute expert on the category. O…

This is absolutely true.

The problem is, it's easy to measure launches and their effects. It's almost impossible to measure "nurturing" or separate out its effects. So that isn't rewarded.

So you're right -- if you know you're going to do an amazing ongoing job with a product, it makes far more sense to do it as an owner (reap the rewards) than as a salaried PM.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else find the new Gmail interface sluggish?

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post #162

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I just tried /mail/h in https and got redirected back to the new version. If it does work in http then alas, I don't want the old design back that badly.

Turn off JavaScript and refresh the main page once you're logged in. You should get prompted to either enable JS or click through for basic HTML mode. Once you're in basic HTML mode, you can click "Set basic HTML as default view" at the top if you like it. No need to use HTTP instead of HTTPS.

Thanks.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else find the new Gmail interface sluggish?

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I think what surprises a lot of people is that Google would take a premier product like Gmail and make it slower and less user-friendly.

Even when you try to use the "basic HTML", they decided to not provide a lot of simple features such as basic view customizations (e.g. standard, compact, relaxed). I'm guessing that was done to make sure people use the new UI - so it's use the slow UI or too bad for you.

Not sure much will change in terms of the new UI since people are more wedded to their email addresses than say their choice of search engine or maps.

When I worked with them back in the day, there was a certain "take it or leave it" attitude at times from some senior people about some decisions in products.

This was not all the people and I'm not speaking about the present leadership who I don't know, just that it was the case because back in the mid/late 2000s with my experiences and people I knew via working relationships.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone else find the new Gmail interface sluggish?

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Ah! I often wonder, how and why does Google decide to change the UI to well established products like Gmail? It's certain to annoy veteran users, so I'm particularly puzzled when the decide to shake things up, UX wise, for no apparent usability or feature gain. I suppose your post is at least partly an explanation.

In this particular case, Gmail surely needed to be brought in line with Material Design (as has been happening to all Google apps, like Keep last week)... and the fact it now works offline (in its native interface, not the old kludge) is the biggest usability/feature gain (pretty huge, really). They've actually been adding a ton of new features over the past year, especially with Inbox functionality being merged in.

Oh, I'm sure it's not random. I bet there's a rationale for almost every change in every piece of software UI. These are not bullies making changes just to annoy me; I know that. I can even understand why they stopped supporting the old look & feel after a grace period. I'm a software dev too, after all.

But from the point of view of a random user (me), it seems bizarre. The Gmail team changed things for no apparent gain. I don't care about Material Design -- I don't even know what that is! All I know is that the immediately previous incarnation of Gmail looked less cluttered and felt snappier. I know it's not accurate, but sometimes it feels they make UI changes just to show the app is not abandoned, whether this changes make sense or not.

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