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Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by Yaggo »

In Finland, experienced developer with relevant skills can make 60-75 k€ year brutto, translating to 40-50 k€ netto. (Though lower salaries are not uncommon.)

Taxes are high and progressive, but you'll things like 4 weeks vacation, 3 weeks fully paid parental leave for dads (and partially paid for much longer), free education (incl. universities), free daycare, free healthcare, social security, etc. This is not without problems, of course, but has huge impact on stable, equal society and general safety.

(Free = some nominal fees may apply, great majority of costs paid by society.)

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by atmosx »

ciaoben wrote: post #50
lowry wrote: post #47

In many EU countries, seasoned developers become fre lancers. Achieving higher revenue is impossible otherwise.

This is sad. I mean, I think that numbers that we see in Silicon Valley are ridiculous, but it seems to me that here in Europe this profession it is not recognized for the value it delivers.

The living cost in SV is ridiculous too. There is another thread right now with ppl claiming that 240k USD/year makes it hard to afford house + family expenses.

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by atmosx »

paublyrne wrote: post #136
ciaoben wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is sad. I mean, I think that numbers that we see in Silicon Valley are ridiculous, but it seems to me that here in Europe this profession it is not recognized for the value it delivers.

I think it's less to do with recognition as much there just not being as much money in European businesses, particularly startups.

Indeed. On the other hand EU scene doesn't look like a bubble with insane valuations.

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by Mortiffer »

user5994461 wrote: post #134
Mortiffer wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do your own cost of living estimate. Last year my Junior Software Developer (with ETH Masters) balance sheet looked as follows : Income:8650 Taxes :1640 (income, social etc. ) Food/Drink/Dates: 1560 HealthInsurrance : 346 Rent : 1640 (2 rooms 64sqm) downtown nice part of town Other : 400 So i end up saving 3k per month But i don't have kids that would be >2.5k per kind for daycare.

Do you speak German? I found Zurich difficult when not speaking the language.

yes, we require german. :/

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by Mortiffer »

raverbashing wrote: post #96
Mortiffer wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do your own cost of living estimate. Last year my Junior Software Developer (with ETH Masters) balance sheet looked as follows : Income:8650 Taxes :1640 (income, social etc. ) Food/Drink/Dates: 1560 HealthInsurrance : 346 Rent : 1640 (2 rooms 64sqm) downtown nice part of town Other : 400 So i end up saving 3k per month But i don't have kids that would be >2.5k per kind for daycare.

Is this CHF or did you convert to USD or EUR?

CHF

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by Mortiffer »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #149
scarmig wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Happiness is paramount. And especially early on having opportunities for growth matters. But after a couple years in the industry? A high salary goes really far. Note that "high" means different things to different people, but choosing a 300k/year job over a 200k/year job is often a good idea, even if it's to do stupid shit and not change the world. That doesn't mean you should choose misery over happiness for money,…

Well, having had a few times the opportunity to do such a move, I stayed at my previous job. Good atmosphere, cool company (a big one), located in such a way that my 15 km bike commute is 70% in a forest, no travel, yell at my children every night so that they do their homework/wash teeth etc. What would these 100k give me? Not much - I will comfortably retire when time comes. I would consider a 500k increase as it w…

What about working for 2 years then taking a break to work on side projects and travel for a year. With a high income you can do this; essentially working 66%

Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by [deleted] »

scarmig wrote: post #148
thinbeige wrote: post #146

Slightly OT but maybe helpful: Don't focus too much on the salary. It's just one tiny part of the whole package. Your dev job pays your rent, food and savings. I assume that most dev jobs do this quite well. Beyond this, the main goal of a job is to increase your future market value, your professional network and to have fun. So. basically it's about how much you are worth in your next job and that you enjoy your tim…

Happiness is paramount. And especially early on having opportunities for growth matters. But after a couple years in the industry? A high salary goes really far. Note that "high" means different things to different people, but choosing a 300k/year job over a 200k/year job is often a good idea, even if it's to do stupid shit and not change the world. That doesn't mean you should choose misery over happiness for money,…

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Re: Ask HN: How much do developers earn in Europe?

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Post by staticelf »

ciaoben wrote: post #73
staticelf wrote: post #5

Is this going to be published somewhere? I wrote in the salary in the currency of my country which was probably not the intended thing to do.

I will polish results for having an overview, probably will publish it here. I made the mistake to not specify currency from the beginning, would you mind send me the correction to make? fvbenigni@gmail.com

Yes, I do mind. Sorry.
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