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Re: Ask HN: How to not bring emotion from work back home?

#171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm against pathologising any normal reaction to stress. When the anger reaches a point where it actually becomes a painful hindrance in daily life it's an option to think about though. But there are also coaching and life counseling (not sure what the proper English terms are).

>But there are also coaching and life counseling (not sure what the proper English terms are). Life coaching is just bad therapy from unqualified people. And they are often part of MLM schemes or associate themselves with (other) swindlers to part you from even more of your money.

I dated a woman who was a life coach for a bit. She had absolutely no qualifications to speak of. She decided she didn't want to go to college, so she became a life coach instead.

From what I could tell, she basically operated like a personal cheerleader. She didn't have any particularly sage advice, instead she just would repeat mantras about motivation.

She was baffled that I accomplished my goals, since I'm such a cynical person that I had to be self-defeating.

Now I'm definitely extremely cynical, but I don't think it's particularly wrong to look at an entire industry based around masturbatory self-interest and think that it's not sustainable and mostly exists to justify a decision to live in continual near-poverty.

Here's a fun one -- go up to anyone at one of these digital nomad events and ask them how much of a balance they are carrying on their credit cards from month-to-month. I think maybe 1 in 10 people I met had more cash than credit card debt. Maybe 1 in 25 had anything saved for retirement.

I know, I'm a wet blanket.

Re: Ask HN: How to not bring emotion from work back home?

#172

My personal answer is that I'm a Christian and the teachings of the Bible directly address these issues. Some of it involves a different worldview. Changing the world becomes both less important and more possible. It becomes easier to prioritize important things in life like caring for loved ones or for others who need help. The conflict of the day, whether political, personal, or work related, doesn't endanger the p…

>Reading and praying (about the reading, about life) probably serve the same purposes as the meditation techniques espoused in this thread, but it is more than just body hacking. Having been raised Catholic and now a practitioner of meditation for many years my experience is that meditation is nothing like prayer nor does prayer confer the same benefits as meditation. I've found meditation to be much more effective.

> Having been raised Catholic and now a practitioner of meditation for many years my experience is that meditation is nothing like prayer nor does prayer confer the same benefits as meditation. I

Having been raised Catholic, and still being Catholic, having been taught various meditative practices outside the Church and seen some of those practices taught within the Church (and broader Christian community) as means of prayer (both explicitly, by name, as the meditative technique and other times simply teaching the same technique without reference to meditation), I would have to say that Christian prayer overlaps with meditation.

There are forms of prayer that are not meditative, and I have no doubt that even for similar techniques simply the presence or absence of religious loading in the intent makes a difference (in what direction differing between individuals) in practical effect for many people, but they certainly are not categorically disjoint domains.

OTOH, I don't think the suggestion upthread of reading and reflecting on the Bible as an alternative to meditation for the same purpose is a particularly good one,especially for those not already Christian. Reading and reflecting on the Bible—or the Quran, Tao Te Ching, etc., can certainly have value, even for non-Christians (-Muslims, -Taoists). But generally that will be distinct from the value derived from meditative techniques, unless the "reflection" itself uses those techniques. And even then, the use of the religious source material as the basis is more likely to be distracting than helpful in the meditative sense for those not already at least positively inclined to the religious content.

Re: Ask HN: How to not bring emotion from work back home?

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Well by definition it's harder to come back from that edge. The whole point of regular exercise, meditation, and reflection is to not get there in the first place. Stop trying to fix the symptoms, fix the cause. Why does work of all things make you this angry? Is it a lack of control? Would you be happier running things or doing consulting? Is it the project(s)? People/a particular person? Stop trying to get rid of t…

Very true. I would also add therapy. There is no way for "work" to get you this mad this often. The things that are making you angry at work are triggering deeper and more personal issues. Usually when I am angry, the root is a sense of guilt about something else.

Re: Ask HN: How to not bring emotion from work back home?

#174
I think getting to emotional at work is its own problem. If you could just control your emotions after work, you could probably temper them enough during work to not have this be an issue.

For emotional health, it seems rather arbitrary to draw a line between 'at work' and 'at home'. The only real difference may be in what those environments consider acceptable, but you can't just switch between intensity levels. Emotion is, kind of by definition, not fully within your control.

Re: Ask HN: How to not bring emotion from work back home?

#175
Lighten the mood and then talk to the universe/world (whatever you want to call the something that we are all a part of).

I know. I know. That might sound weird and all. But, it is the only thing that helps me. I grew up a very calm person but after many years in the military and a couple of combat deployments I seemed to develop a very strong aggression issue. I'm calm most of the time, but when something gets to me I can get into a deadly loop where it just gets worse and worse. It starts to feed on itself. Then, my wife can say something small and my internal monologue gets darker and darker and whinier and whinier.

So, yes, don't let it get to the "edge point"...that is hard. That takes a long time of understanding yourself (talking to the universe or journaling is the best way that I feel I make progress in that area too.) So, the first step when you get to the edge is to return to being happy. It doesn't matter what it takes. Watch a stupid video on YouTube. Just get back to a place of "happy" even if just for a moment.

Lighten the mood. Then, start journaling. But, the goal of the journaling shouldn't be whining: "why me, oh why me??" I've done that a lot. It is really not helpful at all. It makes it worse over the long-term.

So, what do you journal/talk-to-the-universe about? You start investigating who you are and why the current situation is making you upset. Start asking yourself: why am I angry. But ultimately, the goal is to drill down until you find the good in everything. For example: "Why am I angry that Joe is fighting me so hard with what I know is a bad direction as far as design patterns is concerned? Why do I care at all? Because I want to built software that I'm proud of. Don't we all want to build software that is well built and a meaningful creation? So, what Joe doesn't want that? Of course, Joe wants that as well. We just have different ideas about how to make the best software possible. By why am I so fired up and angry about it? Because I don't want to believe that I'm coming to work each day for nothing..."

Just keep going...even 15 minutes can make a major difference. I've had times in life where it took an hour and sometimes when it went on for over 6 hours. There isn't a goal in terms of what you are getting at. Productivity is certainly NOT the goal of the exercise. Just talking/writing is the goal of the exercise. In the end, my wife is happier and I feel that is the larger goal. I want to be kind to other people, especially my wife, rather than burdening people with negativity.

Re: Ask HN: How to not bring emotion from work back home?

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I know some people here have suggested jumping to another position, which certainly is a viable option, but consider the fact that emotional hardship will always occur in our lifetimes. Similarly, it's worth gaining some self-awareness around why things are activating, whether they be good or bad (activating or deregulating your system in a heightened state or a low-energy state). My advice is see a therapist on a so…

100%. I remember talking to my 14 year old niece about her seeing a therapist. She comes from a very old-fashioned area and I told her that some people would judge her for doing it. My next words were "Fuck. Them." She's never heard me swear before or since and I think she'll remember what I said for that reason.

I've seen a therapist, again for anger issues, for an extended period of time. Have never regretted it. A couple of points that I'd make in general that may or may not be useful:

First off, there's things you have a right to be angry about and things you don't. In the latter category, it's okay to feel angry, but it might be worth delving deeper into why that is. In the former, again it's okay to be angry but you want to think about what you can do to get yourself out of it. My wife just switched jobs for this reason.

Second, society pulls a real number on men's mental health. Plenty of emotions are considered weak and not appropriate for men. This gets re-routed to the acceptable emotions, notably anger. It's worth thinking about how this effects you.

Third, sometimes you're not angry about what you think you're angry about. Therapy really helps in these situations.

Fourth: it's ok to be angry. It's not okay to take the anger out on people. It's also really hard not to if you're constantly angry like I was. Apologise, a lot. The apologies will start to sound thin pretty quick unless you're taking concrete steps to do something about it, but in any event, always be sorry.

Re: Ask HN: How to not bring emotion from work back home?

#177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm against pathologising any normal reaction to stress. When the anger reaches a point where it actually becomes a painful hindrance in daily life it's an option to think about though. But there are also coaching and life counseling (not sure what the proper English terms are).

>But there are also coaching and life counseling (not sure what the proper English terms are). Life coaching is just bad therapy from unqualified people. And they are often part of MLM schemes or associate themselves with (other) swindlers to part you from even more of your money.

I think it depends on the country and its regulations -- whether the profession is regulated at all. Anyway, coaching etc. is no therapy because the clients aren't (mentally) ill or anything. There is nothing to cure, which is what therapy is about.

Re: Ask HN: How to not bring emotion from work back home?

#178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm against pathologising any normal reaction to stress. When the anger reaches a point where it actually becomes a painful hindrance in daily life it's an option to think about though. But there are also coaching and life counseling (not sure what the proper English terms are).

>But there are also coaching and life counseling (not sure what the proper English terms are). Life coaching is just bad therapy from unqualified people. And they are often part of MLM schemes or associate themselves with (other) swindlers to part you from even more of your money.

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Re: Ask HN: How to not bring emotion from work back home?

#180
There are a lot of great deep, reflective answers in here. My advice is more tactical so take that for what it's worth.

1) Make sure there's a buffer before you get home from work, or if you work from home, create a buffer. During that time (could be as short as a half hour), do something that's not super stressful and not related to work that gets you thinking about stuff you're interested in. For awhile this was listening to audio books on the train ride home or doing crossword puzzles - as long as it decompresses you a bit.

2) Make sure you're sleeping enough. Fuses get short when you don't sleep and this fixes a lot of things.

3) If you're not working out or moving around, find something that you can do. If it's competitive maybe that helps. Squash, tennis, soccer league? Something that makes you run like crazy and gets your heart rate up.

4) Start work on that thing that's screaming at you from the inside because you're not doing whatever "it" is. Maybe something there - an idea, a project, a thing. What's been keeping you from working on it? Maybe life or your job seems to be preventing you from doing it? Start small. Talk to a few people and keep the fire burning. Learn more about it so you can start to think more strategically about approaches (or rule it out)

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