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>Does anyone get hired? Yes. I did. I attended Nashville Software School, a full-time 6-month full stack bootcamp. I now work as a front-end dev and am very happy with how things turned out. I did not have any type of CS background before attending NSS. It is not a stretch to say that anyone who really applied themselves to getting hired after leaving NSS has gotten a job. They have graduated over 100 students in the…
Hey Ruskick, Like many of the other commenters here, I'm also a co-founder of a trade school (Code Fellows, we're 2 years old) that offers immersive programs for web and mobile developers. We have 13 different offerings to accommodate developers with varying skill levels and interests. Our flagship program teaches students who have on average ~2yrs of experience writing code professionally, and our hiring partners of…
I've never understood the whole thing about CS foundations... For the most part you're never discovering new datastructures, the rest of it is just knowing which data structure to pick, 50/50 dictionary/arrays, once in a while a set, and use a tree every year or two. Even then if it's an esoteric data structure you'll still use an off the shelf implementation. Even in data science it's mostly off the shelf R packages…
Just that is not a small thing.
Yes, I work at Refinery29 (obligatory www.corporate.r29.com/careers/), a large women's fashion website in NYC. Of our 30 person tech team, we have had about 5 people coming out of these bootcamps, and they are all awesome. Although I think your idea of who goes to these bootcamps is pretty off. These aren't people who "had never opened a text editor in their lives." Some of them are people who were working in science…
At every level of the web and mobile sectors of the industry, maybe.
(Disclosure: I am a cofounder at one of these schools, Hack Reactor.) > Most of the job growth appears to be in academic stuff like AI and data science This is incorrect -- web jobs are growing quickly. > there are companies hiring people at $100k who, twelve weeks ago, had never opened a text editor in their lives. This is rare, but it does happen. The more common case is the student that coded on the side for a yea…
Running an educational program is hard, I agree. And if you guys are doing a really excellent job of it over, say, 10 weeks the way I look at it is this: the potential hire is an entry level person who has about a 3 month jump on the approx 2 years it will take to make a developer out of them.
So given that: I'd have no problem hiring these people as entry level (i.e. developer in training), and if I knew something about the program itself that would count in their favor against similarly green candidates.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your experience is interesting to read, but not quite valid to the original post. The poster was referring to developer bootcamps like Flatiron or General Assembly that have a primary revenue derived from tuition (or recruiting fees for some), and are trying to produce developers to be hired by other organizations. Your bootcamp was to produce developers for your own company. They made an investment in you to bring y…
Fair, although my experience is still relevant because clients are still hiring developers that have gone through a bootcamp. There is full transparency that the clients are getting developers with limited experience, and they are still willing to pay a premium because of the bootcamp. The underlying concept is still the same - a company trains competent developers and gets a premium for doing so. The only difference…
Historically, the clients had little choice who showed up for their projects. Perhaps that has changed substantially. Clients weren't usually vetting Jen and Bill and Joe, but rather they ordered bodies and got "3 bootcamp grads".
I'm curious, since it's been a while that I've dealt with larger consulting firms. Has that changed? Are your fellow bootcamp grads now interviewed and vetted by clients before joining their projects, or do the clients get whoever shows up?
Yes, I work at Refinery29 (obligatory www.corporate.r29.com/careers/), a large women's fashion website in NYC. Of our 30 person tech team, we have had about 5 people coming out of these bootcamps, and they are all awesome. Although I think your idea of who goes to these bootcamps is pretty off. These aren't people who "had never opened a text editor in their lives." Some of them are people who were working in science…
At every level of the web and mobile sectors of the industry, maybe.
(Disclosure: I am a cofounder at one of these schools, Hack Reactor.) > Most of the job growth appears to be in academic stuff like AI and data science This is incorrect -- web jobs are growing quickly. > there are companies hiring people at $100k who, twelve weeks ago, had never opened a text editor in their lives. This is rare, but it does happen. The more common case is the student that coded on the side for a yea…
Running an educational program is hard, I agree. And if you guys are doing a really excellent job of it over, say, 10 weeks the way I look at it is this: the potential hire is an entry level person who has about a 3 month jump on the approx 2 years it will take to make a developer out of them.
So given that: I'd have no problem hiring these people as entry level (i.e. developer in training), and if I knew something about the program itself that would count in their favor against similarly green candidates.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your experience is interesting to read, but not quite valid to the original post. The poster was referring to developer bootcamps like Flatiron or General Assembly that have a primary revenue derived from tuition (or recruiting fees for some), and are trying to produce developers to be hired by other organizations. Your bootcamp was to produce developers for your own company. They made an investment in you to bring y…
Fair, although my experience is still relevant because clients are still hiring developers that have gone through a bootcamp. There is full transparency that the clients are getting developers with limited experience, and they are still willing to pay a premium because of the bootcamp. The underlying concept is still the same - a company trains competent developers and gets a premium for doing so. The only difference…
Historically, the clients had little choice who showed up for their projects. Perhaps that has changed substantially. Clients weren't usually vetting Jen and Bill and Joe, but rather they ordered bodies and got "3 bootcamp grads".
I'm curious, since it's been a while that I've dealt with larger consulting firms. Has that changed? Are your fellow bootcamp grads now interviewed and vetted by clients before joining their projects, or do the clients get whoever shows up?
(Disclosure: I am a cofounder at one of these schools, Hack Reactor.) > Most of the job growth appears to be in academic stuff like AI and data science This is incorrect -- web jobs are growing quickly. > there are companies hiring people at $100k who, twelve weeks ago, had never opened a text editor in their lives. This is rare, but it does happen. The more common case is the student that coded on the side for a yea…
Running an educational program is hard, I agree. And if you guys are doing a really excellent job of it over, say, 10 weeks the way I look at it is this: the potential hire is an entry level person who has about a 3 month jump on the approx 2 years it will take to make a developer out of them.
So given that: I'd have no problem hiring these people as entry level (i.e. developer in training), and if I knew something about the program itself that would count in their favor against similarly green candidates.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your experience is interesting to read, but not quite valid to the original post. The poster was referring to developer bootcamps like Flatiron or General Assembly that have a primary revenue derived from tuition (or recruiting fees for some), and are trying to produce developers to be hired by other organizations. Your bootcamp was to produce developers for your own company. They made an investment in you to bring y…
Fair, although my experience is still relevant because clients are still hiring developers that have gone through a bootcamp. There is full transparency that the clients are getting developers with limited experience, and they are still willing to pay a premium because of the bootcamp. The underlying concept is still the same - a company trains competent developers and gets a premium for doing so. The only difference…
Historically, the clients had little choice who showed up for their projects when working with larger consulting shops. Has that changed? Clients weren't usually vetting Jen and Bill and Joe, but rather they ordered bodies and got "3 bootcamp grads".
Are you and your fellow bootcamp grads interviewed and vetted by clients before joining their projects, or do the clients get whoever the consulting firm decides should be on the team?