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Ask HN: What is it like being in a CS major program these days?

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Re: Ask HN: What is it like being in a CS major program these days?

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Which is a good thing. They should be teaching the cornerstone principles, not offering vocational courses.

You think most people spend tens of thousands of dollars on college and expect not to be employable?

In my experience the places worth working for care about cornerstone principles far more than the hot buzzwords on a resume.

Re: Ask HN: What is it like being in a CS major program these days?

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"The professors use AI themselves and expect their students to use it, but do not have a gauge for what kinds of problems make for an appropriately difficult assignment in the modern era." I'm a prof, recently retired but still teaching part-time. This is exactly the problem. AI is here, people use it, so it would be stupid (plus impossible) not to let students use it. However, you want your students to still learn s…

we figure out the hard way.

it's like when bootcamps were all the rage promising an easy career path, the floor has been raised now, companies will pay a premium for competent devs eventually when they figure it out and it will be an attractive option once again as a career path, but for now it's a shit show.

if 90% of your class turns off their brains when learning with AI then focus on the 10% who understand that you need to crawl first before attempting anything else.

Re: Ask HN: What is it like being in a CS major program these days?

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I taught an intro course last semester. It was intended for non-CS majors, but it ended up with one module having all CS majors after all. They were very pessimistic about their job opportunities at graduation. I explained that the fundamentals are still very much necessary for now, even if you end up only reviewing AI code. Honestly, computational thinking is as important as ever, although how persuasive I was about…

> They often ended up stuck because the newest group we've gotten is very adverse to office hours when ChatGPT exists

This has been true LONG before AI. I can count the number of students who ever attended my office hours on two hands and not run out of fingers.

The only thing that helped was trying to have a "pseudo office hours" before or after actual class time. Those got some traction.

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So are you saying that no multinational company ca have employees overseas? This is really a poorly thought out proposal.

there are tens of thousands of national companies - hence the term “out”sourcing. the “multinational” issue can be solved as well (if anyone cared to solve it)

So exactly how do you solve it? Don’t let any multi national companies hire from outside of the US?

Are you going to also ban “national” companies from setting up overseas departments?

Re: Ask HN: What is it like being in a CS major program these days?

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I am not in a CS program myself, but I guest lecture for CS students at CMU about 2x/year, and I'm in a regular happy hour that includes CS professors from other high-tier CS schools. Two points of anecdata from that experience: - The students believe that the path to a role in big tech has evaporated. They do not see Google, Meta, Amazon, etc, recruiting on campus. Jane Street and Two Sigma are sucking up all the ta…

When I was in college in the early 2000s, it was the same. Most professors were at least a decade behind current technology.

Are for instance the Knuth books "behind current technology"?

No.

A CS degree is not about the javascript library du jour, it is about the fundamentals of computation which don't really change.

Re: Ask HN: What is it like being in a CS major program these days?

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Claude has a teacher mode where it will ask you questions. I’m picking up game dev in my spare time. I’m not letting Claude write any of the code. We talk through the next task, I take a run at it, then when I’m stuck I got back and talk through where the problems are. It’s slower than just letting Claude do it, obviously. Plus you do need to be a bit disciplined - Claude will gladly do it for you when you start gett…

Are you speaking of Claude's "learning mode" which switches it to a Socratic dialogue mode? https://www.tomsguide.com/ai/claudes-new-learning-modes-take...

I had assumed they were referencing the "Learning Output Style"

https://code.claude.com/docs/en/output-styles

Re: Ask HN: What is it like being in a CS major program these days?

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You think most people spend tens of thousands of dollars on college and expect not to be employable?

In my experience the places worth working for care about cornerstone principles far more than the hot buzzwords on a resume.

Well if you don’t have a job, the places worth working for is the one that will pay you in exchange for your labor so you aren’t homeless, hungry and naked.

A junior developer can’t say “you know what I don’t want to work for your company because you don’t value cornerstone principals. I would rather sleep on the street”

Re: Ask HN: What is it like being in a CS major program these days?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

there are tens of thousands of national companies - hence the term “out”sourcing. the “multinational” issue can be solved as well (if anyone cared to solve it)

So exactly how do you solve it? Don’t let any multi national companies hire from outside of the US? Are you going to also ban “national” companies from setting up overseas departments?

we can start with 37,574 national companies which will take care of tens / hundreds of thousands of jobs and expand out.

don’t be a “can’t be done” person looking for excuses, be a solution guy - it will serve you well in life. this is an actual real problem that needs a solution - be a part of that solution

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