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Ask HN: Organize local communities without Facebook?

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Re: Ask HN: Organize local communities without Facebook?

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> Regardless, no private platform is forced to provide you a voice. That was a reasonable stance historically. Only the government had real power to control speech. Now a tiny number of platforms have a huge amount of power. They should have an obligation not to censor, because between them they can virtually block all practically available channels of communication.

> They should have an obligation not to censor, because between them they can virtually block all practically available channels of communication Absolute bullshit. It has never been easier in history to publish your own thoughts for the consumption of anyone who is interested in reading them. You can make your own website and put just about whatever you want on it. You can write and publish pamphlets or books with p…

> You don't have to use their platforms.

Yes, but you can reach far fewer people if you do not.

This is well on the way to arguing that you are free to say what you want in a sealed room.

Re: Ask HN: Organize local communities without Facebook?

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> They should have an obligation not to censor, because between them they can virtually block all practically available channels of communication Absolute bullshit. It has never been easier in history to publish your own thoughts for the consumption of anyone who is interested in reading them. You can make your own website and put just about whatever you want on it. You can write and publish pamphlets or books with p…

> You don't have to use their platforms. Yes, but you can reach far fewer people if you do not. This is well on the way to arguing that you are free to say what you want in a sealed room.

You don't have the right for anyone to care about what you say, and never have.

Your argument seems to be that the New York Times has no choice but to publish my op-ed, because otherwise how will anyone find it?

Re: Ask HN: Organize local communities without Facebook?

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> They should have an obligation not to censor, because between them they can virtually block all practically available channels of communication Absolute bullshit. It has never been easier in history to publish your own thoughts for the consumption of anyone who is interested in reading them. You can make your own website and put just about whatever you want on it. You can write and publish pamphlets or books with p…

> You don't have to use their platforms. Yes, but you can reach far fewer people if you do not. This is well on the way to arguing that you are free to say what you want in a sealed room.

And? If you are on a platform and depending on random people finding your message, how are you going to get above the noise?

You have to put in the work. Major changes happen by people getting thier voice out before social media

Re: Ask HN: Organize local communities without Facebook?

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I've been trying to get out more, and attend some events/groups IRL (sports, hobbies, whatever). They all might be in meetup, but all communication is happening in FB groups, FB messenger, Insta, Discord, etc. I don't have either and it makes things seriously more difficult...

Re: Ask HN: Organize local communities without Facebook?

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Again, during the civil rights movement there was no social media and mainstream media. You use personal outreach and then you build up from there. There are church networks, civil groups, advocacy groups etc

> There are church networks, civil groups, advocacy groups etc Which are now largely dependent on social media and the like to reach people. Church's somewhat less so because they do have services that people physically go to. Most campaign and advocacy groups work online, and for some social media is their main focus. They have to go where people are.

Then that’s their problem. I doubt that there is any group that you can’t start locally and build up a following.

Re: Ask HN: Organize local communities without Facebook?

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The point is precisely that you don’t need a social networking platform to do something meaningful .

I don't think the author was talking about isolated change like planting some seeds. Real change requires humans to collaborate and work together.

> isolated

The whole thread is about limited and well-defined communities, not the world. What the OP wants is specifically “isolated”.

> like planting some seeds

Spending thirty years planting a 550 hectare forest and restoring wildlife to it is not “planting some seeds”. Please don’t be reductive.

> Real change

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Change is change. You don’t get to define someone’s life work, which was more meaningful and impactful than most of us will ever achieve, not “real” to fit your narrow definition.

Re: Ask HN: Organize local communities without Facebook?

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Everything you said here is false

No, it is true and has been covered in all major newspapers many times over. The Hunter Biden laptop story was censored due to warnings from the FBI, and Zuckerberg has repeatedly said that Facebook was pressured by the Biden administration to censor Covid-19-related content.

Re: Ask HN: Organize local communities without Facebook?

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> I live in a more rural community (moved from a big city). We have 5-6 small (~50k people) towns, all well connected. Everything happens on Facebook. I would like to move to a different platforms. Plus points for self-hosted, federated. Do YOU want to move off of Facebook for some reason, or do people want to move off of Facebook for some reason. MOST people in the US, especially in a rural are are not going to quit…

This is a bizarre response on a platform that frequently discusses moving things off of centralized applications and services out of concern for the long term stability or safety of that platform - you assumed their motives and turned it into a political statement right out of the gate.

No it isn't. Moving yourself off of a platform is one thing. Moving 200k random users off (for reasons?) is impossible.
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