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Re: Ask HN: Burnout because of ChatGPT?

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Post by falloutx »

sharts wrote: post #67
tivert wrote: post #11

> 2. I no longer feel the need to hire juniors. This is a short-term positive and maybe a long-term negative. > A lot of stuff I used to delegate to fellow humans are now being delegated to ChatGPT. And I can get the results immediately and at any time I want. I agree that it cannot operate on its own. I still need to review and correct things. I have do that even when working with other humans. The only difference i…

The only solution is to rapidly scale these up so that they can disrupt every aspect of everyone's life until we all decide to throw our hands up and decide it's time for a new social construct. I'm surprised someone hasn't replace politicians with an LLM. Imagine not having to pay their salaries when ChatGPT can send "thoughts and prayers" to Maui over Twitter 24/7.

Is this satire? If you think politicians can be replaced, then you must be dreaming quite hard sir. They are running the show.

Re: Ask HN: Burnout because of ChatGPT?

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Post by falloutx »

Exuma wrote: post #107
skepticATX wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that we are the silent majority. ChatGPT can be mildly useful for me as a dev, but in general it actually slows me down. There have been a few times when it has really shined, but it’s not the norm. If it was actually a life altering tool (and it might be one day) there wouldn’t need to be an entire industry of people trying to convince everyone that with just one small trick Google doesn’t want you to know,…

It’s immensely helpful for learning. Orders of magnitude better than google which has ruined their search results with seo bait. At the very least, its a much more powerful google (dont nitpick my comparison, i realize it hallucinates). Getting the EXACT context of your question is something generalized search/articles online will NEVER give you, and you can read hundreds of pages of docs all day. This is good for ce…

Google hasn't ruined search results instead the services like chatGPT are generating so much spam and crap that Google search can't really keep up. So the service you are using itself is making google and internet worse, and eventually that would turn chatgpt bad as well. Its a vicious cycle.

Re: Ask HN: Burnout because of ChatGPT?

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Post by falloutx »

obblekk wrote: post #28

I've experienced a very similar feeling. To me it feels exactly like finding wikipedia in 2005, or getting an iphone + wikipanion in 2008. The frontiers of my mind have been unleashed. A real bicycle for the mind. Here are some tactics I use to "turn off gpt": 1. It'll be there tomorrow. The great thing about their threaded model is you can easily find the convo and continue it tomorrow. Remind yourself of that consc…

It seems like one of those things like VR and crypto, technical solution looking for a problem to solve. After 2 years we have still not found a single good use for it and yet it is supposed to be disruptive. If you think we have, provide me with an example of one app which really has used it so well that it is now comfortably ahead of the competition.

Re: Ask HN: Burnout because of ChatGPT?

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Post by UncleMeat »

cheschire wrote: post #25
tivert wrote: post #11

> 2. I no longer feel the need to hire juniors. This is a short-term positive and maybe a long-term negative. > A lot of stuff I used to delegate to fellow humans are now being delegated to ChatGPT. And I can get the results immediately and at any time I want. I agree that it cannot operate on its own. I still need to review and correct things. I have do that even when working with other humans. The only difference i…

You can witness this happening in the trades right now. A whole generation of people were told to goto college and to avoid the trades, and now here we are in possibly the most significant manpower drought the trades have ever experienced. And this has a ripple effect as the older generations retire out, and take their hard won experiences with them with nobody to pass their knowledge onto. Can't tell a carpenter to…

My brother in law is an electrician.

He does not have paid vacation, good sick leave policies, or good health insurance through his employer. He has witnessed a bunch of on-the-job injuries and one near-fatality, largely caused by his employer pushing hard for the team to complete jobs as fast as possible. He is paid alright, but less than the norm for the people I know with college degrees even after we exclude everybody in software. His job is also physically demanding and may cause problems later in life.

Not exactly a "hey, pick this job and you'll have a great career" story.

Re: Ask HN: Burnout because of ChatGPT?

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Post by falloutx »

zer8k wrote: post #120

Waiting for your direct to Amazon book about how AI will kill software OP. Always entertaining. ChatGPT will likely be added to the list of dead things that were supposed to "kill" the software developer. I've noticed this pervasive attitude among, what I can only term as, people who actually enjoy LinkedIn. If you understand what I'm saying you can probably already picture the annoying over the top buzzword written…

Also other things among HN readers I have noticed recently is that they say Google search has gone incredibly bad so they use chatGPT more. But they fail to understand that one of key reasons that Google search has gone bad is due to every tom and his mom pushing out garbage seo spam with the help of chatGPT in last 2 years.

Re: Ask HN: Burnout because of ChatGPT?

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Post by skepticATX »

simonw wrote: post #113
flanked-evergl wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno what you do for a job but if that is your hard problems or even medium problems then I think you lucked out big time.

I never said these problems were hard. But... they're things that require research. Do you know how to loop through all of your Apple Notes using AppleScript off the top of your head? That research isn't free: it takes time. As someone who hasn't done much work with AppleScript before, I would guess it would take me about half an hour to figure out how to do this. But there's a risk that it might take longer. So the…

I Googled "applescript loop through apple notes" and this was the first result: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/225938/notes-scrip.... Looks exactly like what ChatGPT came up with for you minus the dialog.

I then Googled "applescript print to console" and got this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13653358/how-to-log-obje... ; admittedly this answer took a few minutes to read through, but the second most upvoted answer recommended using log, which your ChatGPT-developed solution (eventually) used.

This all took me < 5 minutes.

Re: Ask HN: Burnout because of ChatGPT?

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Post by Exuma »

falloutx wrote: post #163
Exuma wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s immensely helpful for learning. Orders of magnitude better than google which has ruined their search results with seo bait. At the very least, its a much more powerful google (dont nitpick my comparison, i realize it hallucinates). Getting the EXACT context of your question is something generalized search/articles online will NEVER give you, and you can read hundreds of pages of docs all day. This is good for ce…

Google hasn't ruined search results instead the services like chatGPT are generating so much spam and crap that Google search can't really keep up. So the service you are using itself is making google and internet worse, and eventually that would turn chatgpt bad as well. Its a vicious cycle.

Google has MOST definitely destroyed their search results. They did this long before ChatGPT.

This is repeated on like a daily basis anywhere online, and lots of people agree. All you will see are basically fake amazon review websites, or affiliate links in everything. The top 100 pages are pure garbage that they choose to favor over actual websites with real reputation.

Re: Ask HN: Burnout because of ChatGPT?

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Post by pixl97 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #24
tivert wrote: post #11

> 2. I no longer feel the need to hire juniors. This is a short-term positive and maybe a long-term negative. > A lot of stuff I used to delegate to fellow humans are now being delegated to ChatGPT. And I can get the results immediately and at any time I want. I agree that it cannot operate on its own. I still need to review and correct things. I have do that even when working with other humans. The only difference i…

> Then there will be a decision point: either the senior-level people who thought they were safe get replaced by a more-advanced model, or they don't and there's a future society-level shortage because the pipeline to produce more senior-level people has been shut down (like the OP is doing). Or, for every junior that isn't hired by a business that can't expand its portfolio to exploit greater productivity or can’t f…

Typically that's not how these things work at least in the time frame that you don't starve to death.

Leading up to 2008 you'd think the market would optimize for lenders that checked who they were giving loans to. But that's not what happened. The idiots kept giving out shit loans until the entire market burned down taking out good and bad lenders alike in the aftermath.

Re: Ask HN: Burnout because of ChatGPT?

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Post by simonw »

skepticATX wrote: post #167
simonw wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said these problems were hard. But... they're things that require research. Do you know how to loop through all of your Apple Notes using AppleScript off the top of your head? That research isn't free: it takes time. As someone who hasn't done much work with AppleScript before, I would guess it would take me about half an hour to figure out how to do this. But there's a risk that it might take longer. So the…

I Googled "applescript loop through apple notes" and this was the first result: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/225938/notes-scrip... . Looks exactly like what ChatGPT came up with for you minus the dialog. I then Googled "applescript print to console" and got this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13653358/how-to-log-obje... ; admittedly this answer took a few minutes to read through, but the second mos…

Yeah, those StackOverflow posts are the perfect illustration of why I find ChatGPT so much useful for this kind of thing.

Compare them to my original transcript. They don't provide me with enough information: how do I actually run that code?

I got ChatGPT to split me out a zsh script, which caused it to show me how to use "osascript -e ".

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