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Re: Ask HN: “Contact Us” Pricing

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As you already know, this is typical for "enterprise" software due to the idea that potential customers will immediately click away if the price seems too high, so you need to let your customer know what value is in your software before they immediately walk away. One take-away from this is the old "if you have to ask, you can't afford it", and another is that they're automatically filtering out lower-value or price-…

There's also the ROI argument, enterprise pricing in many cases comes with a ROI estimate that requires quite a bit of involvement in understanding the potential customer use case.

The trick is to make the case that the price is cheap for them, given that they get more out of the software than what it costs.

Re: Ask HN: “Contact Us” Pricing

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There's some interesting data in the debt proceedings for the event startup Pollen: https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/the-scoop-pollen/ Some snippets on their debts, which you cold normalize for their ~150 employees: - Monday.com: £515k - AWS: £105k - Airtable: £7k

Very interesting - although probably difficult to glean any kind of generalizable pricing data because some of those vendors could have let unpaid bills slide longer than others. Also, how is Monday.com owed £515k on a company of 315 employees? That's 1.5k/employee, so if it's an annual contract they didn't pay, that's $150/user/month? Seems _wild_ expensive. If that's accurate, no wonder Monday.com is able to spend…

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Re: Ask HN: “Contact Us” Pricing

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> due to the idea that potential customers will immediately click away if the price seems too high That's not how I read these at all. "Contact Us" means the company doesn't have set pricing but rather will have a sales person/department that will structure a specific deal and negotiate a contract for your business's specific needs.

I read it as: the company doesn't have set pricing but rather has a sales person/department that will charge you more than the next person for the exact same product/service if they have any reason to suspect they can get away with it after learning as much as they can about your finances and only after wasting your time on a high pressure sales pitch. If someone refuses to openly list prices they're either: - Embarr…

That's just an extremely cynical way to describe "pricing". There are myriad reasons why a company does not have a fixed set of prices that don't have to do with fleecing anyone, being embarrassed, or trying to hide the fact that they charge more than competitors.

Re: Ask HN: “Contact Us” Pricing

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> due to the idea that potential customers will immediately click away if the price seems too high That's not how I read these at all. "Contact Us" means the company doesn't have set pricing but rather will have a sales person/department that will structure a specific deal and negotiate a contract for your business's specific needs.

Having worked on pricing strategy, this is not what I've seen as the norm in B2B. If you're talking to an early company that is still working on product market fit, maybe, and definitely if you ask for your own features. If you're talking to larger companies, thing FAANG, then they have a list price and discount levels that can act as incentives, levers or there are other options for inducement. Otherwise, you give t…

Sorry how is that at all different than what I said?

Re: Ask HN: “Contact Us” Pricing

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There's some interesting data in the debt proceedings for the event startup Pollen: https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/the-scoop-pollen/ Some snippets on their debts, which you cold normalize for their ~150 employees: - Monday.com: £515k - AWS: £105k - Airtable: £7k

Very interesting - although probably difficult to glean any kind of generalizable pricing data because some of those vendors could have let unpaid bills slide longer than others. Also, how is Monday.com owed £515k on a company of 315 employees? That's 1.5k/employee, so if it's an annual contract they didn't pay, that's $150/user/month? Seems _wild_ expensive. If that's accurate, no wonder Monday.com is able to spend…

> For those asking "how can a 500-person company generate a ~$500K+, unpaid bill on Monday .com when most of the eng team uses JIRA (it would imply $1,000/person for Monday, which seems high, even for a year): I'm wondering the same.

> Asked the company: they've not responded yet.

https://twitter.com/GergelyOrosz/status/1583401575715741696?...

Re: Ask HN: “Contact Us” Pricing

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> As a general rule, any software which requires "contact us" is going to be somewhere between $50k and $750k I really wish that were the case. Alas, more and more sellers think it makes them look cool and enterprise-y if they go the "contact us" route. Possibly the most ridiculous I encountered was a browser plugin startup offering that ended up costing something like $2/month/user with a 20 user minimum but even du…

it's just annoying to the extreme I once had to find software options for a company I worked for. I had a deadline to meet for that, plus my regular duties. That meant that any company that had "Call for pricing" didn't make the cut. I don't have time for that. We ended up spending $120,000 on the solution I chose. I don't know if we could have gotten a better deal from another vendor, because they wanted to play gam…

How did this work? Did they put $10,000/mo on their website?

Re: Ask HN: “Contact Us” Pricing

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The keyword here is estimated . That’s only a ballpark number. I think they did that because they were severely undercutting the competition and they want people who wouldn’t have thought about it to call their sales team. It’s not the final price.

Estimated is fantastic. That's almost all I need before deciding who to buy practically identical SaaS from.

Exactly. These SaaS products all what to try and trap you into sunk cost fallacies. Estimates would be fantastic.

Re: Ask HN: “Contact Us” Pricing

#169
i liked the differentiation where Enterprise customers paid for full seats + things only a large company would want + fudge factor for slow to pay and higher cost of sales.

the hardest part is if their software required extensive integration and customization; that help would cost extra and the project would be largely it depends.

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