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Re: Ask HN: How to deal with children's online habits?

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Great tips. Agree with the youtube vision you have. How do you deal with banning youtube all together? It's even on the smart tv menu. It's like playin whack a mole.

You can block the YouTube domains on pie hole or with something like OpenDNS.

I did that and then my 10-year-old installed a vpn extension on his Chromebook.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with children's online habits?

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I’m going to go the other direction…it’s your responsibility to violate your childrens online privacy at least up to a certain age. Block, restrict, monitor. Say no pretty much all the time. They’ll be fine. There’s so much stuff out there where they’ll have no idea what’s going on but you’ll recognize it immediately. NextDNS is great for this stuff. Apple Family Manager too. On a phone or iPad just remove safari ent…

>You’re their parent, not their friend. You can’t be both.

Sure you can. And the only reason you are saying otherwise is you don't know how to do both.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with children's online habits?

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To all the opinions already posted I will add just one more: none of it was given by people who know you and your kids.

They are unique and will have a set of natural and nurtured skills that are critically important when dealing with the social and psychological cornucopia that is the Internet.

This isn’t something where we have a lot good replicated research from which to draw conclusions.

We can all provide our own experience in an honest attempt to help but it will be your family that has to figure this out regardless.

Give yourself and your children the grace to make some mistakes on this journey. That you care enough to be concerned is a sign that you are a good parent.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with children's online habits?

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Never allow a children below 12 access to internet, a not give to they cellphones until the 14 or until they needed, in my experience as father, I give him 4 or 5 hour in videogames or videos in the computer monday-saturday, sunday is for family time, everytime he ask for buy something, I tell him that he must work for obtain that as reward or compensation, not let them take the monitor outside of your range, even in…

>Never allow a children below 12 access to internet

What in the ever living heck are you talking about...

>show they that you love them

In my opinion everything you stated is pretty much the exact opposite of showing them that you love them.

>our family policy is that all the rooms are with open doors

I guess your kids see some good sex action with you and the wife then.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with children's online habits?

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I have some pre-teen children that have access to an iPad, Xbox, and an Apple TV. My #1 recommendation is NO YOUTUBE, unless it's for education purposes. I don't have the App installed on any of my kids devices (they can access it via the website, but they don't do that). It's just a cesspool of garbage for kids. Even YouTube Kids is bad. Occasionally, they will complain about not having the YouTube app... but I neve…

Is YouTube really so bad nowadays? I feel like I'm in a weird position as I'm young enough to have grown up with YouTube, having used it regularly since age 11 or 12, and I got a ton out of it, but "The Algorithm" wasn't a thing in the same way back then. I still use YouTube today and still get a lot out of it, but I mainly watch videos from channels I'm subscribed to or through direct recommendation by other people.…

There is a big trend of odd videos that no adult can seem to understand. My 4-year old loves them. They star familiar characters like Mario, pac-man, siren head, huggy wuggy, etc. they use sampled sound effects repeated ad naseum. There is no plot or story that lasts more than maybe 10 seconds, but the videos can be 30 minutes. Sometimes there’s no plot or story at all.

https://www.theverge.com/culture/2017/11/21/16685874/kids-yo...

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with children's online habits?

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I’m going to go the other direction…it’s your responsibility to violate your childrens online privacy at least up to a certain age. Block, restrict, monitor. Say no pretty much all the time. They’ll be fine. There’s so much stuff out there where they’ll have no idea what’s going on but you’ll recognize it immediately. NextDNS is great for this stuff. Apple Family Manager too. On a phone or iPad just remove safari ent…

And don't flip out too much when you catch them learning to avoid the control. That's an important lesson for them to learn, because once they're grown and out of the nest, the people trying to control, monitor, and limit their access to information are not doing it for the victims' benefit.

Oh, my son figured out some of them and I congratulated him. He’s actually figured out a bunch, but he’s also old enough that it’s time for him to start getting more access.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with children's online habits?

#167

I’m going to go the other direction…it’s your responsibility to violate your childrens online privacy at least up to a certain age. Block, restrict, monitor. Say no pretty much all the time. They’ll be fine. There’s so much stuff out there where they’ll have no idea what’s going on but you’ll recognize it immediately. NextDNS is great for this stuff. Apple Family Manager too. On a phone or iPad just remove safari ent…

>You’re their parent, not their friend. You can’t be both. Sure you can. And the only reason you are saying otherwise is you don't know how to do both.

At some point you’re going to have to choose one or the other. You can only do both until that happens.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with children's online habits?

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So hard to balance both.

For my young kids ( under 10 ), I am very strict on what they can see and do online. Screen time, CleanBrowsing, and app restrictions enabled.

For my teenager, it is a bit different. More conversation, more privacy and more spending time teaching her about computers, security, privacy, etc. She chose to install CleanBrowsing, an ad blocker, all on her own to protect herself.

Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with children's online habits?

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I’m going to go the other direction…it’s your responsibility to violate your childrens online privacy at least up to a certain age. Block, restrict, monitor. Say no pretty much all the time. They’ll be fine. There’s so much stuff out there where they’ll have no idea what’s going on but you’ll recognize it immediately. NextDNS is great for this stuff. Apple Family Manager too. On a phone or iPad just remove safari ent…

I agree. You shouldn’t have draconian restrictions and monitoring up until their 18th birthday, but it’s the parents job to gradually scale up the freedom as the child matures rather than letting them swim straight into the deep end right away.

I know the tired “back in my day” stories about how kids were less supervised decades ago and they turned out fine, but I think different times call for different measures. When my parents grew up in farm country, their parents knew every other family nearby and had a good idea of what to expect by letting their kids wander around the neighborhood. The internet is nothing like that. You really do need to gradually introduce internet freedom to kids and be able to provide some parental guidance and context as they grow up. You can’t protect against everything, but there’s a huge difference between letting kids play in a few kid-friendly places and just letting them discover whatever comes their way.

I think some people forget that restrictions are malleable. If a kid wants to use a certain website that isn’t on the allow list, they can ask and we can give it a quick review and approval. Setting boundaries isn’t an end to exploration.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with children's online habits?

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Would you feel comfortable dropping off your kid, by himself, in a foreign country with no supervision?

That's how you should view being online. When they are very young, they should be attached at the hip. As they age, and (hopefully) mature and develop the capacity for navigating the dangers and the judgement to make good choices, they should be granted increasing levels of freedom.

Most importantly, however, is to remember that you and you alone are the one responsible for the well-being of your child. Nothing matters less than what other parents or other kids are doing, or what schools, governments and "experts" recommend. At the end of the day the responsibility for your child is yours alone. Spending a lot of time with your child and getting a good gauge on just how much freedom and responsibility they can handle is absolutely critical to this process. In my opinion the fact that so many don't have the time to spend with their child, because of work or other obligations, or choose to outsource the raising of their child to a school or daycare program because they see other people doing it, is why our society is turning out so many broken people. If you really take an interest, your child will pick up on that - just like they will pick up on it if you don't.

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