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Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

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Meditation as its known today is a western phenomenan.

It is a secularized form of an eastern religious ritual, the ultimate goal of which is ego death.

Mindfulness is a trendy feel-good fuzzy yoga mom term that's often used to sell something.

For many who adopt routine secularized meditation, it becomes a great exercise in Missing The Point, the point being ego death. It's a very strange thing to kill the ego but then immediately return to an egocentric life, with all the hustle and bustle and manufactured stresses. After all, this ritual typicaly accompanies a fairly ascetic lifestyle.

Meditation, for me, a Roman Christian, is more akin to contemplation in the Greek stoic sense. It's good to set aside some time each day to just sit and think, to reflect on things.

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

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I don't think you're wrong. You can buy the idea the idea that you are complete and could very well be that way. I personally don't find myself to be that way, and that having this frame of reference is helpful for myself, and that's as far as it goes. For example, in a development project, I get caught up in getting a feature to how I perceived it ought to have been and become dismissive of other's objections or ide…

Good points. > It exists objectively for the same reason that the education industry exists. But if I’m right above - there is a subtle but crucial difference. Education has (at least tries to have) some objective, applied and reproducible element to it. While meditation is reduced to religion by its nature. It doesn’t make it any less valuable for society etc. But it means we need to call things by their names and s…

I'm not as familiar with Sam Harris, but the impression that I have is that he's treating and conveying mindfulness and meditation as a science that is measurable and comparable from person to person, which I do not think it is. It is "scientific" (to these people) in the sense that someone is trying to extract the essence of something that is subjective and attempting to quantify it or find reason from it, when in fact, there is no more to be found than the original subject matter and/or it is baseless with reality or what is well-understood. I think many have tried to substitute it with religion as if it is better and grounded in science, when it about the same in quality in many regards.

Definitions and names are tricky things. The names we give to things the first time around usually will encompass multiple concepts. As we try to separate each of these concepts, we try to assign new names but in discussion (in the case it's in good faith) conflate them with the older names of things because not everyone can stay current to the most recent names, and they may understand the concept you are trying to isolate in conjunction with something they consider it a part of. Relativity used to be general relativity, and now can also refer to special relativity, efficient in some ways and confusing in others.

Then there's the question of how much can be objectified and reproduced, and whether that effort is worthwhile compared to embracing a concept in its entirety with its truths and lies because it is more realistic compared to what can be built from what you managed to discover and build from exclusively. We use Newtonian Mechanics despite its inaccuracies instead of quantum mechanics for designing buildings because it is close enough at the scale of what we intend to solve. I consider mindfulness, meditation, and in some cases religion to be similar, in the sense that they seem to approach you at the scale of being a person or at the scale of your humanity full of subjectivity in need of a subjective solution or explanation, instead of a machine to be worked on piece by piece. No matter how much objectivity is possible, individualized application is going to have subjectivity or uncertainty. How far to go one way or the other, and how relevant that would actually be to the situation at hand, is always questionable.

Re: Ask HN: What exactly is a mindfulness meditation?

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What kind of answers were you looking for?

Personal experiences - what is meditation for you, why you came to it and how you define it

What do you mean the answers you were looking for were personal experiences?
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