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Re: Ask HN: How to move away from Google

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I moved away from Google a few years ago. I'm using the following alternatives: - Email: ProtonMail - Contacts, Calendar, Online storage: NextCloud hosted by Hetzner ( https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share ) - Phone: LineageOS (Android) -- App stores: F-Droid for most apps and Aurora store for the occasional non F-Droid apps (like the ProtonMail client) -- Maps: MagicEarth (not open source but privacy friendl…

While Proton is a common recommendation and I do use their VPN which is good, I would also urge people to look at alternative providers. This is a decent list.

https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems

I switched from Gmail to Posteo when I came across this link. While the interface is really basic, it works for me and it also helps me support smaller businesses.

Re: Ask HN: How to move away from Google

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Start here. An app that helps you deploy your own server with various tools you need. Platform on user's hosting provider for deploying private services, managed via mobile application. https://selfprivacy.org/en/

Is there anything similar for the self-hosted space?

Technically this is a self-hosted space, the app deploys a NixOS script which builds everything for you. https://nixos.org/

The app runs you through clearly defined steps on how to purchase the server, domain, and register everything together.

You control the lot.

The NixOS script is available on their repo to view, and fork yourself too.

Their support is top notch, I've had many conversations with them, they have always helped me out. https://t.me/selfprivacy

From my conversations, and chats, it's run by someone that has poured a lot of personal money and time into the project. They are truly passionate with privacy, self determination, teaching others, and helping the community.

Re: Ask HN: How to move away from Google

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What about https://mailbox.org/ ? I

I tried them in 2019, they did (and do, I guess) check all my boxes but it seemed they were moving fast and breaking stuff and IMAP/SMTP in Apple Mail was one of the broken things. Docs were very much out of date, IMAP kept erroring out every few attempts and SMTP never worked at all (their support people couldn't help either IIRC). IMAP/SMTP is a basic requirement for a not-E2E-email provider so that didn't instill…

I've been using IMAP with mbsync and gnus for probably over a year now and I've not had a single issue with it. I'm not the most prolific emailer, mind you.

Re: Ask HN: How to move away from Google

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I moved to DuckDuckGo as my default search engine in the past couple of weeks but a few days ago, I had gone back to google search because the search results are much better. I really wanted to move away from google but the service is just much greater compared to the alternatives.

DuckDuckGo isn't trustable either. The only benefit to using them is just changing google's market share at your own expense

You guys should try Brave Search (I'm not affiliated, just a user). If you like the speed of Chromium and the Blink engine, but you're dissatisfied with the Firefox/DDG combination, it's particularly good.

Re: Ask HN: How to move away from Google

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An alernative to Magic Earth would be Organic Maps. https://organicmaps.app/ Though it's not as focused on driving, it seems. But may be good enough.

These apps are pretty much not useable in rest of the world .

OpenStreetMap data is probably the best geographic data you’ll find all around the world. Which region are you speaking about?

Re: Ask HN: How to move away from Google

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I see a lot of recommendations for self hosted alternatives, either at home or a VPS/Rented server. While the HN crowd is probably better suited than most people, running a server connected to the internet is no small taks, and people should seriously consider other alternatives before doing so.

For some of the services, your own privacy measures may not matter one bit. Take email for example, you may self host it, or use a privacy oriented provider, but it doesn't help one bit if you recipient is on gmail or outlook, so one could argue that attempting to privacy secure email is in vain. You can of course use GPG, but that requires the receiver to publish keys, which not very many people do.

I've self hosted for a couple of decades, but some years ago i decided i no longer wanted to be our resident sysadm, and instead moved everything to the cloud. I went from a proxmox cluster and a couple of NAS boxes spinning at home, to nothing spinning, and no open ports in the firewall.

We now use regular cloud services (Google Drive, OneDrive, iCloud, etc), and instead use Cryptomator (https://cryptomator.org/) to encrypt everything before sending it to the cloud.

For specific apps we use

- Joplin for notes (or just ios notes)

- Signal for messaging (though in reality we use quite a few clients, as it highly depends on what your recipient uses)

- MXRoute for mail / contacts

- DuckDuckGo for searching.

- Cryptomator on top of whatever cloud storage the individual prefers.

- Photos, here we chose the easy path, and simply use the integration offered by our phones, which in our case means iPhones, so iCloud.

Re: Ask HN: How to move away from Google

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Self hosted email for 20 years so ignoring that: - nextcloud for photos/drive - bitwarden with vaultwarden backend for passwords - self hosted Firefox Sync for everything else - syncthing for outlying file sharing - jottacloud for high capacity storage dump (rclone is your friend) Probably forgot something

These are all great tools. But I wanted to gingerly hop on this thread to say that de google doesn’t have to mean self hosted. I found it very rewarding to put my money towards companies that are aligned with my priorities (be it privacy or other) even if there were free alternatives.

Yeah, I do use the odd service, email is just because I've always done that and I still like the flexibility

Re: Ask HN: How to move away from Google

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post #107

Self hosted email for 20 years so ignoring that: - nextcloud for photos/drive - bitwarden with vaultwarden backend for passwords - self hosted Firefox Sync for everything else - syncthing for outlying file sharing - jottacloud for high capacity storage dump (rclone is your friend) Probably forgot something

what are you using for self-host firefox sync?

The awful python 2 sync server still works for the most part, with storage bits and auth - it is a chore to setup and it sucks a little but eh, nobody else has bothered to make sync useful enough like the alternatives that do support custom sync need command line args which is not ideal and also rules out mobile devices entirely whereas Firefox on android has the ability to configure custom sync server for example

Re: Ask HN: How to move away from Google

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I moved from Gmail to Posteo, Gdrive to Nextcloud, and Android to /e/ OS. I self-host Nextcloud and installed the mobile OS myself, but if someone is not inclined, both have ready to use offerings as well.

Nextcloud partnered with providers and they give 2GB instances for free, allegedly. If you need more, you can check https://github.com/nextcloud/providers#providers

Buy an /e/ OS phone: https://esolutions.shop/

There are also third party sellers, like "Liberate your tech", who sell phones with GrapheneOS preinstalled.

Regarding their stability; Posteo is going strong since 2009, Nextcloud as a project 2010. For mobile devices I'd look at 3-5 year periods, and I feel confident that /e/ OS and GrapheneOS will be around for that time. Even if they don't, the situation is not that different from owning an Android that's not updated anymore, and also usually you can sell the phone on the used market and buy a new one that's still supported.

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