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Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

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This is why people use scrapers that turn this information into an RSS feed. So no, even without GDPR, this information would still be available. You say that the industry has incentive to kill RSS, and yet Google has just added a Follow button to Chrome for RSS feeds. Go figure.

Scrapers take more effort to implement, use more resources, and require constant maintenance. Chrome is not the industry. It's a web browser built by a content aggregator, not a website.

"the industry" being what? A so-called browser industry? Publishing? Blogging?

If we're talking marketshare, Chrome won: https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worl...

Disclaimer: not a Chrome user.

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

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It's not just pushing web-based readers: I think the largest thing behind Google Reader nostalgia was social . It was Google's biggest social network to date in terms of daily active usage. (They'll throw stats that Google Plus did "better", but who is nostalgic for Google Plus, exactly?) That's why it got the closest to breaking mainstream: it wasn't just "go out in the wilds and hunt for RSS feeds on blogs" like mo…

Considering that the social angle was not what people bemoaning the lack of updates for Reader, then its shutdown, complained about? I don't think that was the majority usage by far. You (and the two people responding to that effect) may be literally the first people I've seen bring up the social functions of Google Reader in conversations and articles as something they missed since it shut down. That said, if you wa…

I think you missed some things in my comment. I have an RSS reader and it has social features. I'm happy with it and have used RSS pretty much continuously from its early days. I agree with you, on paper feature-for-feature, my RSS Reader of choice today is better than what Google Reader was in many ways. What it doesn't have versus Google Reader, where I still draw some small nostalgia for Google Reader is Google's network effect (nor does it have Facebook's or Twitter's).

You found it weird that people are so nostalgic about Google Reader and said you didn't see why people are so nostalgic about it: my point was that a big thing that people who are nostalgic for Google Reader miss both directly and indirectly was its social features and their network effect. At Google Reader's peak I did have non-technical friends that had no idea what RSS was or how it worked, but they followed a bunch of their friends socially in "that reading thing connected to Gmail" and sometimes picked up that they could subscribe to other feeds just by subscribing to feeds they saw in friends' feeds. That was a big deal for almost-mainstream adoption. Most of that has moved to other social media today (Facebook and Twitter) and that's why "RSS is dead" according to all the headlines, but for a brief period Google Reader was people's "Twitter" and rather than top-posting short quips and a link to an article some of the time every "tweet" was bottom-posted in reply to articles. ("It was a more cultured social media for a more civilized age," in old man words.)

It's not unlikely that you don't have nostalgia for Google Reader simply because you weren't even indirectly aware of its social features. I'd wager a lot of the people that truly have nostalgia for did take some advantages of its social features. I know some friends anecdotally who still don't know what RSS is today but are still nostalgic for Google Reader. I've tried to convince a few of them to join me on my RSS Reader of choice and I can use its social features to teach some it in a similar way to how we all used to use Google Reader, but "no one" but me is still left in my RSS Reader of choice among that original group and most "everyone" is on Twitter or Facebook. It was the network effect that made Google Reader nearly mainstream, that put RSS to the closest to the mainstream it may ever get.

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

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post #127

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Scrapers take more effort to implement, use more resources, and require constant maintenance. Chrome is not the industry. It's a web browser built by a content aggregator, not a website.

"the industry" being what? A so-called browser industry? Publishing? Blogging? If we're talking marketshare, Chrome won: https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worl... Disclaimer: not a Chrome user.

The industry that monetises content on the web. It's quite clearly not the web browser industry.

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

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Can you get substack to start using rss?

They do! https://mockingbird.substack.com/?utm_source=discover (a random substack site from the frontpage) links https://mockingbird.substack.com/feed in their source. If that feed were to break https://kill-the-newsletter.com/ would be a service to workaround that.

I should have thought to search the source... thanks!

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

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I think this is a great idea. I don't have much time to commit right now but I'd love to stay connected with your efforts. Do you want to put up a quick google form or similar to collect emails of people like me who are interested if you have relevant updates?

(In case you get reply notifications) I created a form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc9lWrieLAn9azMI_88... . Does it work for you?

In hindsight, you should set up an RSS feed with updates :)

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

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(In case you get reply notifications) I created a form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc9lWrieLAn9azMI_88... . Does it work for you?

In hindsight, you should set up an RSS feed with updates :)

Hope this thing gets so far that it has a website home with news, which then certainly will have a feed ;)

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

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I'm actually very new to the RSS space. I only gave it a try back in November and I absolutely adore it. In fact I found this thread through my RSS feed in Newsblur! (Usually I use Feedbin but I like Newsblur's intelligence trainer for Hacker News) I've been nerding out about RSS lately and it makes me so sad seeing how much popularity it lost and how many websites don't support it.

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

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I think broadly RSS needs tools to make content prioritisation and find better. Certain feeds like news sites put everything in their feed and they do a terrible job of surfacing what is likely to be valuable. It would be nice if the high volume sites could be tamed some how and its not going to come from them and its not something RSS/Atom deals with. Customised feeds, filtering and people who liked this liked that…

You are describing the project I'm building: https://linklonk.com You connect to RSS feeds when you "thumb up" or directly submit a link that this feed posted. The more of the content you like from the same feed - the more other content from that feed will be prioritized. So feeds that post too frequently naturally go down in the ranking. And feeds that have a high signal-to-noise ratio are at the top. On LinkLonk I…

Hey it's me from the future. This is cool.

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

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post #123

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You are describing the project I'm building: https://linklonk.com You connect to RSS feeds when you "thumb up" or directly submit a link that this feed posted. The more of the content you like from the same feed - the more other content from that feed will be prioritized. So feeds that post too frequently naturally go down in the ranking. And feeds that have a high signal-to-noise ratio are at the top. On LinkLonk I…

Hey it's me from the future. This is cool.

Hello future! Glad you like it. Do you have any suggestions on how it could work better for you?
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