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Re: Ask HN: Own .com for 7 years, a new company trademarked my name registered .NET

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They might be using scare tactics hoping you'll hand over the domain name without question. But I wonder if they have a case. My suggestion would be to either A) ignore and see if they go away, and/or B) have a domain name lawyer send a reply showing you won't roll over. That's usually enough for parties like these to back down. If you need a lawyer recommendation send me DM me on Twitter (@marckohlbrugge). More than…

Or option C) Negotiate a deal to get paid for the domain

Marc, do you have an email address?

Re: Ask HN: Own .com for 7 years, a new company trademarked my name registered .NET

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post #42

Every answer in this thread is wrong except for "hire an attorney and work with them to figure out what the best option for you is." Do not follow any "free legal advice" from HN -- and I'm speaking as an actual licensed attorney.

I don’t question your motives in this instance, but I always pay extra attention when someone’s advice is to hire them or someone like them. Obviously, “hire a lawyer,” is sometimes right. But if I hired a lawyer every time I was told to, I would be out hundreds of hours of billing fees. Anecdotally, I’ve never fucked anything up royally. That doesn’t mean that I made the right decision, but is something I strive for…

> Spending $300-1000 on a consult

bruh consults are free, you're getting worked

Re: Ask HN: Own .com for 7 years, a new company trademarked my name registered .NET

#163

Went through a similar situation where I owned (company).com and someone later filed for a trademark and registered the(company).com. I hired a trademark attorney and he sent a nastygram back. We had evidence of first use in commerce and offered not to sabotage their pursuit of a trademark. They immediately agreed, backed down, and signed a document allowing us to use the name unrestricted irrespective of whether the…

Did you get them to pay you for the non-compete?

Yes the other option is to sell the domain for a profit.

Re: Ask HN: Own .com for 7 years, a new company trademarked my name registered .NET

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post #157

Every answer in this thread is wrong except for "hire an attorney and work with them to figure out what the best option for you is." Do not follow any "free legal advice" from HN -- and I'm speaking as an actual licensed attorney.

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Re: Ask HN: Own .com for 7 years, a new company trademarked my name registered .NET

#165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you agree that he doesn't need a lawyer at this junction. But if a lawsuit is filled, he will need to respond and request that the case be dismissed. Using a lawyer for that step isn't a bad idea. They are going to have a hard time finding a case that set a precedent that you can take over another company's website because you registered a similar company 5 years later. Lookup nissan.com

This is not legal advice, but I don't recommend waiting until a suit is filed. Hiring counsel early and figuring out how to respond to the initial notice can be important: it might keep the courts out of the dispute altogether (especially if the other side is on very weak grounds) and might increase the settlement amount (if any) should OP choose to settle and transfer the domain. There's more to this issue than just…

But at what cost? 200/hour to navigate a situation that is easily winnable? Also if the other party knows that he has a lawyer they can use that to run up legal fees, making a settlement seem like the cheaper option.

Re: Ask HN: Own .com for 7 years, a new company trademarked my name registered .NET

#166

No, it's not correct to state that they have any right to the domain name. Anybody can sue anybody for anything, but they have no prospect of winning ownership of the domain name. Domain name conflicts like this are adjudicated by WIPO who would never grant the domain name in this situation: https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/

You are right. They are just trying to scare the owner into giving it up for free.

Re: Ask HN: Own .com for 7 years, a new company trademarked my name registered .NET

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This has happened to me several times, I have never taken it seriously or put much effort into responding. I usually would go straight to the throat and very personal. Publish their letter on the domain they seek, capture all lawyer and company details and publish to site. Use opsec for phone numbers, call them at terrible hours ( at home) to discuss offers of payment. They are trying to bleed you with superior resou…

> call them at terrible hours ( at home) This is a really nasty idea. You’ll be bothering their family who have nothing to do with it. Sounds like you’re advocating harassment of people’s families.

Everyone is a family, except ENTITIES who are not humans.

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TYRANNY is WRONG, inherently so, DISASTER is WHEN, all SPARKs vibrate LOW!

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Tempest, Monster, part of the ONE.

cancer's role as DOVE, painful extraordinary, deserves LOVE, not respect or authority.

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Re: Ask HN: Own .com for 7 years, a new company trademarked my name registered .NET

#168
Two months ago, I had a similar experience with one "lawyer", the same letter from another "lawyer" a week later. In the end, none were "lawyers"; they were domain squatters. I ignored them, and they went away. (this is not legal advice, but you have to be sure if these are lawful people or scammers).

Re: Ask HN: Own .com for 7 years, a new company trademarked my name registered .NET

#169
own.net is not own.com, it looks to me like they are trying to dupe you into "voluntarily" relinquishing your domain, and will try to argue that the similarities of subdomain, are so much stronger, than the dissimilarities btween root domains that it is damaging and they deserve control over a root domain that has a similar subdomain.

thats a big hunch, and i dont see that going in a good direction at all, for anyone, if my hunch is actually fact, rather than hunch

Re: Ask HN: Own .com for 7 years, a new company trademarked my name registered .NET

#170
On a semi-related note, I registered a trademark for my company and the .com is just domain squatting. The .com preexists my trademark however. Do I have any grounds to try and claim it or am I SOL. I know if they were actually using it for a business, it'd be one thing, but it's a generic domain-for-sale page instead.
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