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Re: Ask HN: Whatever happened to exploring the internet?

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Twitter, Youtube, Reddit, Instagram and TikTok. And elsewhere.

I guess this proves the original poster right that there are only 5-6 interesting websites left on the internet. I also only check these 5 sites+HN.

Those sites are vast. There are billions of videos, subreddit posts, etc. It's all under one name but so was all of Geocities. You couldn't even begin to consume all of what is produced on those sites.

Most of it sucks, but it always sucked.

Re: Ask HN: Whatever happened to exploring the internet?

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post #127

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This isn't true. Something creative, some web toy, gets linked on HN's front page at least once a day. Usually more often. Even in the hellscapes of Twitter or Facebook, you'll find interesting writing, weird animations, or new illustrations. There's immense creativity released daily. Too much for one person to ever keep up with. Just because strip malls are plentiful, doesn't mean good architecture no longer exists.…

>This isn't true. Something creative, some web toy, gets linked on HN's front page at least once a day. it's pretty undeniable that the web was more unique before the tooling and resources existed for laymen to easily spin up a site using an off-the-shelf solution, style-sheet, template, etc. The grainy photo of slipknot may have been the same one from site to site -- digital media was uncommon and was generally scav…

I'm old enough that I had to hand-write all my web code when I started in the business, and I still do. Primarily because I never liked templates or wanted to learn how to tweak them - that's learning someone else's framework and being at their mercy. As it turns out, writing your own code is a lost skill and the companies and individuals who do need that service are willing to pay an arm and a leg for it. So I can charge $200/hr while someone building a template site might be making $15/hr. And my code isn't necessarily as flexible or future-proof. But it's built to do [insert specialized UI/data feature] that nothing on the open market does.

I really miss the efforts of early self-built websites, experiments, online games - even the really bad ones. I also think that having to jump through hoops to publish content made people think harder about what they were putting out in the world. Making the process of publication brainless lowers the bar of entry to, well, brainless people.

Re: Ask HN: Whatever happened to exploring the internet?

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I think this is half the explanation. The other half is that people stopped making cool internet things just out of the passion and craft of it. Now everything on the internet is "content," a hyper optimized form of human intellectual output that is devoid of art, minimal on information, excreted instead of created, measured to the lowest common denominator, monetized yet worthless, just enough bait on the hook for t…

This isn't true. Something creative, some web toy, gets linked on HN's front page at least once a day. Usually more often. Even in the hellscapes of Twitter or Facebook, you'll find interesting writing, weird animations, or new illustrations. There's immense creativity released daily. Too much for one person to ever keep up with. Just because strip malls are plentiful, doesn't mean good architecture no longer exists.…

It's just that the signal/noise ratio used to be several orders of magnitude higher.

Re: Ask HN: Whatever happened to exploring the internet?

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The difficulty in finding interesting internet reads has opened a niche now filled by content curators. My personal favorite is the Thinking About Things newsletter [0]. Another great one is Findka Essays [1]. Would love to hear about any others.

[0] thinking-about-things.com

[1] essays.findka.com

Re: Ask HN: Whatever happened to exploring the internet?

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> I seem to have collapsed down to checking 5 to 6 sites. I check about 20 sites regularly even when I have other interesting things to do. > Where would I even go to find other sites that might be of interest? Search engines? > Whatever happened to the idea of “exploring the Internet”? It sounds like you would like to find lists of recommended sites that people used to have on their homepages. Most people don't main…

I honestly do think link pages should make a comeback. Websites are really bad at linking to each other. It's like they are trying to trap their visitors or something and prevent them from leaving by having no exits, but no visitor likes to feel trapped like that. It's fun to assemble link lists, it has a sort of scrapbooking quality to it, and as long as the links are of high quality, they can be very enjoyable to b…

I agree in a way, but for different reasons.

The Internet can host public debate where everyone can participate equally well in a way that was never before possible, whereas mainstream media is mostly a relic from a time when writing was ink on paper, and publishing was therefore expensive.

People could commend blogs and articles they think you should read (and publish their own too!). They should be able to do so without fear of losing friends or being kicked from the platform when they find something objectionable in them.

Blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me. -- Jesus the Christ

But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. -- James 3:8

Re: Ask HN: Whatever happened to exploring the internet?

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post #65

You explored it. That's it. Turns out there's less of it than you imagined. There are, of course, plenty of sites that you could visit. Most of them will be incredibly boring. Years ago you found that interesting just because it was all new, but you don't any more because you've seen similar things already. I suspect that most of those "5 to 6 sites" are aggregators like Hacker News where people seek out new stuff (o…

What an insufferable tool you are. There's plenty of interesting stuff out there, it's you who are boring.

Re: Ask HN: Whatever happened to exploring the internet?

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post #127

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>This isn't true. Something creative, some web toy, gets linked on HN's front page at least once a day. it's pretty undeniable that the web was more unique before the tooling and resources existed for laymen to easily spin up a site using an off-the-shelf solution, style-sheet, template, etc. The grainy photo of slipknot may have been the same one from site to site -- digital media was uncommon and was generally scav…

I'm old enough that I had to hand-write all my web code when I started in the business, and I still do. Primarily because I never liked templates or wanted to learn how to tweak them - that's learning someone else's framework and being at their mercy. As it turns out, writing your own code is a lost skill and the companies and individuals who do need that service are willing to pay an arm and a leg for it. So I can c…

> As it turns out, writing your own code is a lost skill and the companies and individuals who do need that service are willing to pay an arm and a leg for it.

Where do you find companies and individuals willing to pay $200/hr for basic, non-templated web code?

(Or is it one of those things where they find you...)

Re: Ask HN: Whatever happened to exploring the internet?

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people always go towards laziness and convenience, that seems to be a axiom of life.

I'm not sure I'm convinced about that. The desire for convenience may be a widespread cultural message, but I wonder if it comes from people and not marketers. A lot of people seem to suffer in perpetual convenience, they may not be able to articulate it, but it makes them uncomfortable. After a while they feel restless and crave some sort of meaning in life, something to engage with, an interesting idea, a hobby, a…

i agree with you wholeheartedly, nice point. I guess you can liken it to junk food, most people would be happier and healthier without it but marketing and people's propensity for an easy way out if it exists has lead to people being fat, unhappy and addicted to junk food. I wonder who is to blame? People for the choices they make, or businesses who know people's propensity to do stuff even though it goes against an individuals own best interests.

b/w i found your search engine and blog, you are exactly the type of people we need more of, thanks for everything!

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