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Re: Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days?

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1) Maxed-out battery (90-100WH) 2) Low-TDP modern CPU, ideally Ryzen 3) Bright, hi-res screen There is nothing on the market that offers this. M1 mac is the closest option, but Apple shouldn't be given money. I'm currently on a Thinkpad T480.

Asus Vivobook 16X OLED? 1) 94 Wh battery 2) R7 5800h / R9 5800hx 3) 4K OLED screen that goes to 550

Just wondering, can we really feel the difference between 2k and 4k on a small screen?

Re: Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days?

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here's mine, in the order of priority;

1. Keyboard - I love the old Thinkpad keyboard and hate the new chick-lets which seem to have become the norm.

2. Display - 13-15" , 4k and matte. I am currently using a surface book 2 and the screen while lovely is reflective enough to do my hair in between meetings.

3. Discrete GPU - I generally use a single laptop for both work and play and would prefer the laptop to have a good discrete GPU for casual games.

4. Linux as OS - I have recently become rather soured with windows and have switched over to linux.

Things like weight, battery life, looks etc don't matter much to me

Re: Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days?

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Just a portable (13—14 inch) device that has a powerful, but efficient CPU, supports Linux and has a dedicated GPU for occasional gaming / video editing. I bought the Asus G14 over a year ago and this model fits my needs most - at least back then, things have probably changed until now...

When I read you first paragraph, I was like, "This guy's gonna love an Asus Zephyrus G14". Glad to read that you already have one.

How has it been for you?

Re: Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days?

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I’m gonna add good webcam and sound to the mix. These are essential for remote work. If the rumours are true, the new M1X MacBook Pros being announced this Monday look perfect: - high performance + battery life - exceptional build quality - great screen, sound, and webcam - decent port selection

I wouldn't get too excited. Have the last gen Intel MBP 16". There is a known issue where after waking the speakers pop loudly and regularly making it unusable for audio. Before that the MBP 15" which had so many parts replaced I thought it was just bad luck. Apples product quality is not what is used to be, far from it in my experience.

I found the MBP 16 Intel version to be the worst macbook they have made. Great screen, but everything else wasn't worth the money.

They also introduced a crazy bug which when you plug in a USBC charging cable you can twig the temperature sensor on the macbook sending the whole CPU to 100% and it was a software issue not a hardware issue. Still not fixed.

I intend to get the nex M1X for the simple reason that it will be better integrated with the mac's and OS. I don't love Apple, but I consider them to make the best laptop so i'll be excited to see what they release on monday.

Re: Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days?

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post #102

XPS 13 currently, and probably next as well. I look for: - track record of linux compatibility. If it's Windows or out, I'm out. - good keyboard. - good screen, > 1920x1080 although 4K is overkill, preferably 16:10. Macbooks look tempting, but I just don't trust Apple to not break any workflow that isn't editing videos about how great Apple products are. The current keys are good but - sorry, the (pre-butterfly!) key…

I hear you about Apple breaking things. But we disagree on the keyboard. I'd say that all their mobile keyboards past 2015 are utter crap, and I'd wager that this can technically be measured in breakage, dust sensitivity, typing comfort and typing performance.

Since they switched back from the awful butterfly mechanism to scissors, their keyboards have been perfectly fine for me.

Re: Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days?

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0. Linux compatibility, I am not super picky about getting everything to work perfectly but I should be able to trust that the software I prefer to use will run and my laptop will connect to wifi and play audio properly and so on.

1. IPS screen (mostly a given nowadays, but this wasn't always so)

2. Trackpoint, I hate trackpads. Pretty rare option so I could possibly be convinced otherwise if the trackpad is particularly good.

3. Decent keyboard, any laptop will always be primarily a text processing machine for me. (tablet version) 4. User serviceability, with battery and RAM being highest priority but expandable storage is nice too, and all other replaceable parts are a nice bonus.

5. General ruggedness, the whole point of a laptop is being able to travel with it and it's the kind of tech I expect to last me for years.

6. Battery life, though I am not super picky about this.

7. Everything else including performance, higher resolutions than 768p, thinness, appearance, touchscreen (roughly listed in order of preference).

Posted from my trusty Thinkpad X230t which is the only laptop I'm aware of that ticks nearly all my boxes. It's bulky and makes a vacuum cleaner noise when compiling and the battery only lasts 4-5 hours of normal use, though. Still, good enough for web browsing, various forms of text processing, watching videos, listening to music and the vast majority of what you might use a computer for.

I did look into the Framework laptop recently but while it's probably the closet things in a long time the keyboard doesn't look good and there's no trackpoint (nor even physical mouse buttons)

Re: Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days?

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Look for non-Intel solutions. There is absolutely zero reason to adopt Intel CPUs until Intel has proven that they can ship CPUs that do not contain expensive-to-fix security bugs year after year after year (you're on a laptop, every CPU cycle counts to keep heat down and battery life longer).

Several companies make Zen 3 APU (Ryzen 5000 series models)-based laptops that have good keyboards, good screens, and the usual other features.

The only thing you'll have to give up is "head-set jack", which you really mean to be a 3.5mm TRRS jack. Just use a USB-C dongle here; the rest is fine: laptops have entirely USB-C ports nowadays, with USB-C used for Power Delivery to charge.

Also, I'm not sure how you'll achieve a touchscreen that doesn't glare: due to the use case, they have to be Gorilla Glass to survive being touched by human hands. If you want a matte screen, you give up touching, and there are no good coatings to actually reduce glare on a shiny glass screen.

As for Wifi and Bluetooth, no laptop really performs badly anymore, everybody buys the same 2 solutions, Broadcom or Qualcomm's. Intel still makes a Wifi chipset, and it used to be good, but it kind of sucks in the 802.11AC and AX eras, and you only see it used in Intel AMT corporate laptops (or a shared platform being sold also for consumers) that necessitate the use.

The only laptop I'd absolutely say don't buy is anything with Apple's name on it. Basically, fails almost all of your requirements, while being one of the most expensive examples. Truly sad as well, I like the M1 CPU, and I wish Apple would antitrust'ed to spit PA Semi back, but the entire build around that M1 is pretty trash.

Something like https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08YD1JLJF/ is probably the least expensive option that doesn't footgun you. $6xx, good 14" 1080p screen, 8GB of ram (16GB variants exist), enough SSD on a decent M.2 NVME, an 802.11AX+BT5 chip, good enough keyboard and trackpad, works in Linux, is only stingy on the ports by having 3 (so get a cheap hub if you want to plug in something more than USB PD brick to charge + 3.5mm TRRS dongle + external storage at the same time), supports Modern Standby (deep clock-halt S1, instead of needing to transit in and out of S3; works best on Zen 2/3, iffy on Intel series 9/10/11; Intel is planning on fixing for 12; but also can use S3 just in case you need a laptop to sleep for 24hr+ and retain significant charge), and doesn't have a dedicated GPU (which is a win, the APU's GPU is strong as hell, even can do mid-tier gaming without cooking the laptop).

Re: Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days?

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Look for non-Intel solutions. There is absolutely zero reason to adopt Intel CPUs until Intel has proven that they can ship CPUs that do not contain expensive-to-fix security bugs year after year after year (you're on a laptop, every CPU cycle counts to keep heat down and battery life longer). Several companies make Zen 3 APU (Ryzen 5000 series models)-based laptops that have good keyboards, good screens, and the usu…

> There is absolutely zero reason to adopt Intel CPUs until Intel has proven that they can ship CPUs that do not contain expensive-to-fix security bugs year after year after year (you're on a laptop, every CPU cycle counts to keep heat down and battery life longer).

this is simply not fair. other architectures and CPU manufacturers also suffered from security issues.

Re: Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days?

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post #153

XPS 13 currently, and probably next as well. I look for: - track record of linux compatibility. If it's Windows or out, I'm out. - good keyboard. - good screen, > 1920x1080 although 4K is overkill, preferably 16:10. Macbooks look tempting, but I just don't trust Apple to not break any workflow that isn't editing videos about how great Apple products are. The current keys are good but - sorry, the (pre-butterfly!) key…

I have a Dell xps and will never buy another laptop from dell. It's an embarrassment how awful if is. Close the lid without full shutdown, warranty voided bad.

It's not exactly like that.

    Under no circumstances should you leave a laptop powered on and in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag, backpack, or in an overhead bin. The laptop will overheat as a result of that action.
Why would you put a laptop on a bag if it is still running and expect the warranty to cover any damage if it overheats? What's next? Expect the warranty to cover you taking showers while playing with your laptop?

Shut it down or hibernate and you won't have to worry about that.

Re: Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days?

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"2K resolution is a generic term for display devices or content having horizontal resolution of approximately 2,000 pixels." (...) 1920 × 1080 is the most common 2K resolution"[0]. How are you distinguishing between 2K and 1080p?.. are you thinking of 1440p (2.5k wide), or of a non 16:9 aspect ratio? Have you ever found a laptop like this? 1kg is sacrifice a lot of corners in the name of weight (battery, screen, glas…

Yes for me 2K is QHD or 1440p. It just easy for me to compare display resolutions for example 0.5K for 720p, 1K for 1080p, 2K 1440p, then 4K, 6K, 8K, 16K, etc [1]. Buying laptop with less than 1440p display today is just beyond me. They are many 1 kg laptops around at the moment by most of laptop manufacturers. For GPU personally I have an external GPU or eGPU via Thunderbolt interface. Currently they are many laptop…

You are using that display terminology differently from everyone else. 2K, 4K, etc. refer to horizontal resolution, and 720p, 1080p, etc. refer to vertical resolution. 0.5K would be something like 512x384, an ancient resolution lower than VGA (I used it sometimes in the 1990s), and definitely not 720p, which is 1280x720. 2K, 4K etc. came from cinema and filmmaking, but 720p, 1080p etc. come from TV and computers; the "p" stands for "progressive scan", contrasting with "i" for "interlaced" (a lot of HD TV broadcasts are 1080i).
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