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Re: Ask HN: What about a platform for hiring teams instead of individuals?

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This is the way the big guys (Accenture, TCS, etc) went a few years back. Keep that in mind as you try this -- the further you go down this route, the more the market pressures will force you into an offshore sweatshop model. A lot of product design shops have gone to more of an agency model, which makes sense here too. It actually works pretty well as long as you realize that the "accounting" works differently offsh…

I totally see the upside of taking an Accenture et al approach but I can't stomach the offshore sweatshop model. In the early days I tried offshore and the quality simply isn't there. I can't sacrifice the quality of what we put out just to make more £££'s.

It's gotten a lot better as everyone figured out the model, tooling and process. As long as you have someone onshore responsible for quality who doesn't let offshore get away with sloppy work, the model can produce high-quality products. The key is having stable teams offshore, and building skills in those teams in the same ways you would build them in an on-shore team.

It's all about learning what work to do on-shore (anything involving client contact / communication, like requirements gathering) and how to package and hand off requirements to offshore.

The big consulting firms will have an advantage over small ones in this model though, because hiring/training developers becomes an operational task that you're doing all the time. If you can grapple with the training and skills development you end up needing to do offshore, the model does work very well.

It will distance you from the technology side of the business, however... and soon enough you'll find that you're working in professional services rather than software development. :)

Re: Ask HN: What about a platform for hiring teams instead of individuals?

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post #51

Pinging 'tptacek or 'lvh in the hopes they'll comment on how they do this with Latacora :) In my experience "hiring a team" is closer to consulting (maybe long-term contracting) than it is to literally taking on a team of W2 contributors. It's not that it can't happen, it's just how I see it manifest itself the most often. A group of employees being hired as a team need to 1) work well together (so that bandwidth is…

We run teams, consisting mostly of our 6 principals, but we hire individuals. Sorry, we haven't figured out how to hire a whole team at once either. :)

Re: Ask HN: What about a platform for hiring teams instead of individuals?

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You can't validate an idea by posting on HN and decide what to do by reading the (overwhelmingly negative) comments alone. You would get the same negative responses if you were Travis Kalanick ("hey guys what do you think of starting a ride share app") or Brian Chesky. You have to "get out of the building" (Steve Blank) and talk to your potential customers.

While get out of the building is a great advice (and almost always hard to execute), the biggest risk is not getting too many negative feedback online/in your peer group, but actually getting false positives. If you're determined, you'll give it another shot probably even after a negative validation (e.g. here). If you get an overly positive one, then you might not try hard enough to validate with real potential customers.

Having said that, I think it's OK to ask questions like this here, because you might get good insights, e.g. from people who have tried it.

Re: Ask HN: What about a platform for hiring teams instead of individuals?

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post #14

I've almost hired full teams for my clients a few times as a recruiter. There tend to be a couple issues with this model. For one, what if the hiring company interviews the team and wants 7 of the 10? The team has to make a decision to either look for work where they can all be on the team, or abandon members. The other issue is timing. The team members need to all be available at (or around) the same time, and they…

Usually the closest I have seen to this is a architect or manager will be hired at a startup, and he will high a bunch of people from his own team.
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