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Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#161
There are many good suggestions in this thread re: interviewing, exercising, talking to a doctor.

While you are in this interviewing holding pattern figuring out your next long term landing spot, it may be worth exploring if you can transfer internally to another team at your current company. I'm working as a consultant with a consulting company that does a lot of difficult enterprise projects that are 6-12 months in duration, and the novelty of new challenges makes a huge difference in my personal ability to cope with shitty situations. Usually by the end of a large enterprise engagement I am feeling burnt out, but a second wind always comes when the next (shitty but differently shitty) project comes along and I have new people and problems to occupy my mind. It relieves that feeling of being trapped and powerless with the unchangeable aspects of a company's enterprise culture.

I honestly have no idea how anyone maintains their sanity while trundling along on the same stuff for years on end; I think those who do are the exception not the norm. So don't feel bad that you're struggling - You're in good company.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

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post #155

Just assume you have depression and seek external professional help. You can afford it! When you're depressed you won't perform well. Depressed people have darkness following them around and people will avoid you. So you're caged in with your thoughts, but they just get darker, because you're depressed. All signs point to depression. > Death doesn't seem so bad anymore. Healthy minds never see this as an option. Suic…

Healthy minds never see this as an option. Suicidal thoughts are a sickness, never a forgone conclusion. That's a bit too broad of a statement. This kind of thinking is hurtful to the Right to Die movement. There are people in situations such that suicide is absolutely an option to a healthy mind.

First of all OP is not dying. But there is a crucial distinction to be made between suicidal thoughts being a forgone conclusion in one's mind, and someone sanely exercising the right to die peacefully. The inability to distinguish these two would be far more harmful.

> suicide is absolutely an option

You said it yourself. Option, not forgone conclusion. But I would go as far as to say exercising one's right to choose one's death should not even be called suicide. You're already dying. You did not choose death, so it's not suicide. The word "suicide" has immense negative implications in many cultures and religions. If by simply changing the term we can exonerating their soul from the sin they themselves believe in, and assist them in a more beautiful death, we should be all for it.

Having thoughts of dying better are not suicidal thoughts.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

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post #54

I worked for a "big 4" (Google) for many years, and now I lead the engineering team at a startup. I've interviewed many hundreds of people. And I've "been there" in anxiety about interviewing for something new. Let me make you a deal: call me up and I'll interview you, no "puzzles". Except instead of this being about a job with me, I'll give you feedback from the interview and any advice I can. You can reach me at mi…

Happy to do the same. Been through similar feelings, including the spiral of self-doubt and constant failure.

Maybe my experience can give you another point of view or some ideas on figuring out what's next.

Happy to be a sounding board if you're looking more for that.

My email is in my profile.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#165

Get actual, immediate help. ASAP. Unrelated, but the issue w.r.t. your wife is probably something else that should be discussed, but it's secondary to the immediate issue. As soon as you reach the point that "death doesn't seem so bad anymore" you need to take a step back and put things in their proper perspective. If you cannot do this yourself, or feel that the risk of attempting to is too great, then you need to p…

For all we know, his wife could be the main issue?

His wife put him in between a rock and a hard place. He didn't get the job, but can't even take the time to reflect on his feelings because of her pressure? Jesus Christ.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#166
Have you considered transferring to a different team with a different project in the same company? Generally this is much easier than moving to a new company, you get to keep any accrued benefits of tenure, and in a big tech company the culture of different projects can be so vastly different that a change like that can feel pretty much like you're working at a new company.

Also - don't worry about failing interviews. Having done hundreds on the other side, and seeing many good candidates be rejected, it's clear the game is stacked against the candidates, erring on the side of caution (no hire), knowing we'd miss out on many.

And finally, if you are depressed, do seek help - others on this thread point to great resources. Use them.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#167
>>I don't know where I went wrong. I used to be >>intelligent. I used to be liked by my teams. I >>used to be good at puzzles.

>>Now I'm dumb and worthless.

I would like to address this part only.

I used to work for a startup where conditions got worse and bosses got greedy to the point of increasing our commute time by 1.5 hours and reducing our paychecks using new tax cuts as an excuse.

During the time I was there, I was the "rockstar programmer", the "super-committer", the "feynmann of scheduling algorithms" and as soon as I quit, I was the shameful person of broken promises and worst coder ever in history.

Months later I was still told that former employers were saying things like "fixing code he wrote" and "cleaning up his mess" from a few collegues and friends. Since I know for a fact that I was a valued employee one day and worse than dirt the next day, I don't blame myself for this change. Neither should you.

You are the constant. Your intelligence did not change. Your character did not change. You are just responding to a new environment. It seems your surroundings changed considerably and some adaptation is required. I suggest you figure out what changed and how to adapt. It requires some work, some persistence, some challenges may lie ahead, but it is nothing to despair about.

Your image among others is a fleeting social construct prone to change with just a few words, just a few jobs completed, just a few successes.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#168
You sound exactly as my wife (who functioned as a R&D engineer and radiation safety officer at a high tech company) over a year ago - I had to drag her to a doctor. She was diagnosed with depression. In the end she finally found sufficient help (psychiatric treatment and a therapist that understood her). Things are slowly lighting up.

Please seek help immediately. I'm sorry I can't help you more - different continent.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#169
Definitely look around beyond the Big4 hype, find a funded startup where you could be a larger fish in a smaller pond. You should be able to find a better culture fit - nice work, nice people, value life after work etc.

Don't believe that crap about IQ being fixed - the more you work the brain muscle the better it gets. Do puzzles you enjoy that are hard ... if that's whats between you and your ideal place of work, you can improve that with practice.

You can try reverse psychology too - Jeez, Im an idiot, but how would a non-idiot do this puzzle ?? A lot of problem solving is not about raw IQ .. theres practice and skills, and having a big bag of tricks, and creativity.. and persistence. People aren't born doing puzzles..they learn it. None of us are Einstein or Feynman .. but we do what we can, work at our craft. Perhaps just measure your effort going in, not the results coming out, at least for a while ?

You seem like a decent human being. Things will come around.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#170
You work in a Big 4? There are probably other opportunities elsewhere in your current company, and it might be much easier to move within than out.

You should talk to a mental health professional. "I used to be ... Now I'm ..." means something's changed, and it's not likely that you aren't smart anymore.

You might also talk to that same professional about how to ask your wife for support.

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