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You think it is more ethical for wage data to be kept secret? Why? Rarely is requiring secrecy the more ethical option.
What would be the least ethical would be keeping it secret to one party and having the other party sharing data... Oh wait!
Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?
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Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?
#152The FTC Guidelines for Collaborations Among Competitors https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/attachments/dealings... says it’s illegal to share “competitively sensitive variables”, not just any data. Some forms of data sharing such as industry averages may not be illegal, but more detailed data such as numbers of applicants or price elasticity that enable the companies to act together as if they were a monopoly pr…
A good US.A. could probably argue this meets that bar. Didn't they just do something similar with the rent fixing from that similar SaaS product?
Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?
#153It’s new so the government hasn’t caught on yet. They probably also need a larger market share to be considered fixing.
No, this is not new. There are many many many companies selling compensation metrics. This is also not salary fixing. These companies typically do not offer recommendations. It's up to each individual company to decide how to structure their salary bands and how they want to stack up to the market.
It’s all very boring and above board.
If companies choose to talk to each other to suppress salaries, they’re not using our tooling to do it.
There are also firms that will do all this work for you especially if you lack enough people in your own offices for an internal benchmark. If you’re building a CAD tool you can tell them (paraphrasing) to pretend you’re just like Autodesk and ask how much you should pay a UI designer.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
I downloaded a personal report from the work number website and found to my horror that my employer was reporting every. single. paystub. gross and net, to equifax. That felt like a huge breach of privacy. Given that equifax had already proven incompetent at keeping my data secure, I immediately sent HR a request to stop sending my supposedly 'confidential' pay info. They politely told me to kick rocks, so I went on…
Don't ever work in the public sector then. Your salary is public record, open to anyone who is curious enough to look.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?
#155I have never heard of Pave before, but this just sounds like yet another copy of Equifax's "The Work Number" [1]. Basically, HR at many companies gives your salary and employment history data to Equifax, who then sells access to the information to certain parties with supposed need to access it, including potential and current employers and creditors. This report is likely one of the most invasive consumer files out…
I downloaded a personal report from the work number website and found to my horror that my employer was reporting every. single. paystub. gross and net, to equifax. That felt like a huge breach of privacy. Given that equifax had already proven incompetent at keeping my data secure, I immediately sent HR a request to stop sending my supposedly 'confidential' pay info. They politely told me to kick rocks, so I went on…
Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?
#156I got access to Pave through one of my investors. Seeing the data made us set salaries and contractor rates higher, not lower. It’s like salary banding at big companies. It’s a framework for how much other people are paid at the same level, not a contract. HR will make it seem like a rule, but if you do spectacular work - you can always negotiate. Collusion requires an agreement between rivals that negatively disrupt…
Every single developer should take this to heart. The phrase I once used at the end of an annual review was, "you can't give me a review like that but a raise like this!"
Yes, my manager had to get permission to give me the % increase I wanted, but it was to his benefit to do it since he wanted me to stay.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anybody else remember that time YC funded an international smuggling operation? https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/backpack https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8199286
Hell you could write off all of web3 with that sentence
Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?
#159Uber and AirBnb are essentially illegal taxi and illegal hotel services. Remember taxi medallions? Remember zoning laws? Being illegal is not a showstopper for a startup because they are under a radar, being illegal is not a problem for a large business because they have enough power to not get prosecuted.
Ironically for a question about antitrust price fixing you just named two incumbent government-sanctioned cartels (zoning and taxi medallions) that restrict supply and keep prices high. They would be illegal if private companies made them.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ironically for a question about antitrust price fixing you just named two incumbent government-sanctioned cartels (zoning and taxi medallions) that restrict supply and keep prices high. They would be illegal if private companies made them.
> They would be illegal if private companies made them. Yes, that's kind of the main difference between government functions and private companies. Are you saying the very idea of zoning strikes you as a problem? Or are you trying to call out the bad implementations which strangle urban prosperity in the US?