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Re: Ask HN: Burnout because of ChatGPT?

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> 2. I no longer feel the need to hire juniors. This is a short-term positive and maybe a long-term negative. > A lot of stuff I used to delegate to fellow humans are now being delegated to ChatGPT. And I can get the results immediately and at any time I want. I agree that it cannot operate on its own. I still need to review and correct things. I have do that even when working with other humans. The only difference i…

The only solution is to rapidly scale these up so that they can disrupt every aspect of everyone's life until we all decide to throw our hands up and decide it's time for a new social construct. I'm surprised someone hasn't replace politicians with an LLM. Imagine not having to pay their salaries when ChatGPT can send "thoughts and prayers" to Maui over Twitter 24/7.

It’s not a new social construct. It’s a very old one: a thin layer of rich people, and a large number of poor people fighting to survive because they don’t have anything to contribute beyond their own manual labour.

Head out of the developed world and you can see this type of society everywhere.

This meme of AI -> upheaval -> basic income utopia has got to die. It’s wishful thinking. It’s “clean coal” for programmers.

Re: Ask HN: Burnout because of ChatGPT?

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Can you elaborate on how you're actually using ChatGPT? I'm a developer and I haven't felt any need to use ChatGPT constantly. What tasks are you delegating to ChatGPT that were previously done by humans? Most of my input from others is regarding current information specific to the task at hand. I don't see how ChatGPT would have any idea what I'm talking about. Do you have some specific examples you could share?

I do Mac/iOS development and am constantly asking ChatGPT about various APIs and frameworks. Apple's documentation is not great for explaining how to actually use APIs, unless you can find the one WWDC video that explains it or a sample project that they released years ago. I would normally google for sample code, blog posts, tutorials, or Stack Overflow posts. Something that might take an hour of searching and reading now takes a few seconds of just asking ChatGPT.

Even for things that I've done before, it's often much easier to ask ChatGPT how to do something than to look through my projects to find how I did it previously. It might sound lazy, but if it takes me several minutes to search through various projects to find that one time I did something, why bother when I can just ask ChatGPT and know in seconds?

I will say that yes, ChatGPT can hallucinate APIs that don't exist, and that can be annoying, but even if it does it 20% of the time, it's still incredibly valuable in the time savings the other 80% of the time it does hit.

Re: Ask HN: Burnout because of ChatGPT?

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Can you elaborate on how you're actually using ChatGPT? I'm a developer and I haven't felt any need to use ChatGPT constantly. What tasks are you delegating to ChatGPT that were previously done by humans? Most of my input from others is regarding current information specific to the task at hand. I don't see how ChatGPT would have any idea what I'm talking about. Do you have some specific examples you could share?

I have a bunch of examples myself. Here's a good recent one (prompts are linked about half way down the post): https://simonwillison.net/2023/Aug/6/annotated-presentations... A few more: - "Write a Python script with no extra dependencies which can take a list of URLs and use a HEAD request to find the size of each one and then add those all up" https://simonwillison.net/2023/Aug/3/weird-world-of-llms/#us... - "Show…

I think it's pretty useful to share concrete examples like this. I basically always have a ChatGPT4 CI tab open these days when I'm developing these days - it's a usually much faster/better go-to than Google or SO for looking stuff up. ChatGPT is great for all the random stuff I don't care to remember the syntax for.

* I'm always using it to munge/generated tables/csv/markdown/json - you can basically throw any copy and paste from a random PDF that's some weird gobbedlygook of tabs, spaces, newlines and get something cleanly formatted. On the one hand, it seems like a waste of computation, but on the other hand, it's way cheaper than my time and there are so many tasks that require using poorly formatted output. Even better, CI will of course write awk/sed for you if you need to do any automation.

* I'm always forgetting the syntax for named byobu sessions (it happily wrote a script to help with that) but I've also been staging some dev servers and it was able to generate the scripts to create new named session and windows, attaching/creating when necessary, handling if the processes were running, and creating the systemd units for spinning these up.

* On this same project it wrote some python scripts for managing SSH tunnels and reverse tunnels, including filtering/logging of error messages, handling jump servers, etc. This is all stuff I've done years ago (and even written lots of docs for), but it was actually way faster for ChatGPT to generate these than digging those out.

* I've been running into issues w/ some HTML5 audio output and needed to swap to websocket streaming w/ webmedia output (which I wasn't familiar with at all). ChatGPT gave me the code to swap into my FastAPI server and the frontend code I had w/o having to do any further research, great.

* I hate Docker setups, and I had issues w/ Nvidia containers and GPUs not showing up w/ my docker config. I was able pass the various error messages and get my problems fixed without spelunking/hair-pulling. Same with figuring out some cross-container network hijinx.

* There's a bunch of one-offs that I might just not have bothered doing, that I can just ask it to do as well - eg, I've previously written code for poisson distributions and the like, so I knew what to ask for, but would have been a huge PITA to dig out exactly how to do it, but took like no effort to just ask GPT4 CI to figure out a one off I just wouldn't have done otherwise: https://chat.openai.com/share/80fa7bc0-e099-4577-bad9-d026e7...

Re: Ask HN: Burnout because of ChatGPT?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a bunch of examples myself. Here's a good recent one (prompts are linked about half way down the post): https://simonwillison.net/2023/Aug/6/annotated-presentations... A few more: - "Write a Python script with no extra dependencies which can take a list of URLs and use a HEAD request to find the size of each one and then add those all up" https://simonwillison.net/2023/Aug/3/weird-world-of-llms/#us... - "Show…

I dunno what you do for a job but if that is your hard problems or even medium problems then I think you lucked out big time.

You don't get the point.

I work in Deep Learning Research. I don't get any help at all from ChatGPT for my core job. Copilot spews gibberish, too.

I do get enough help about peripherals. Some weeks ago, I needed help with Flask and HTML deploying a model to show it to stakeholders. (I learned Flask some years ago, but not needing it regularly, I forgot enough.)

The data cleaning, preprocessing, model training, making it better than humans were the hard tasks.

Deploying a Flask app with a simple HTML frontend was the easy task. But easy != free. It would have required 2-3x more time researching how to do exactly what I needed, which I did with Copilot and ChatGPT in ~1 hr.

Re: Ask HN: Burnout because of ChatGPT?

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I have been staying mostly away from heavy use of ChatGPT so far. I have experimented and seen the potential. I also try to keep up on the tech news. Mostly been too busy with life and work to dabble seriously here so far. But I am still experiencing the stress nevertheless. The kind of burn-out I am experiencing is he probably opposite of yours in a way. I have been interested in Data and AI for a while since it is…

"new developments and new tools and frameworks and models keeps me feeling like I am stuck in quicksand with lead boots while all these developments are whizzing past me"

Exactly, even as somebody with a background in NLP, some things that I developed over the course of two-three months in Summer 2022 were promptly replicated and nicely put into accessible, open source modules by winter that anybody could run in a few lines of code, besides some bespoke bits like processing (QA on documents, etc). After a few such experiences, you begin to become wary of working on the edge, since the progress is so fast you could waste lots of time on convergent evolution. It really is hard to predict any part that won't succumb to that in the current racing stage.

Re: Ask HN: Burnout because of ChatGPT?

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Put the burn-out aside. It’s not time for such emotions. You are feeding data into GPT-4 and you are making it better but you are also losing everything else in the process: Your business. OpenAI now has access to how your business works, what you need, etc… It’s only a matter of time before OpenAI competes against you and they’ll win.

The only solution is to rely on open source models. The way to develop this market is to use it and pour money into it. I think everyone person, company, corporation or even government should chip in to this effort. If you pay $10 to OpenAI, you should pay $50 to a bunch of open source alternatives of your choosing.

This is the only way to make the world much less worse than what it is about to become.

Re: Ask HN: Burnout because of ChatGPT?

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post #11

> 2. I no longer feel the need to hire juniors. This is a short-term positive and maybe a long-term negative. > A lot of stuff I used to delegate to fellow humans are now being delegated to ChatGPT. And I can get the results immediately and at any time I want. I agree that it cannot operate on its own. I still need to review and correct things. I have do that even when working with other humans. The only difference i…

It is endgame when AGI comes to fruition (which it will, it is just a matter of time, either in 10 years, 50 years, etc...), robots with AGI will be the ultimate life form in the universe and the final evolution of "life" on earth. It is laughable to think something so much more intelligent than people will somehow become a slave to us and do our bidding.

Re: Ask HN: Burnout because of ChatGPT?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so. Junior engineers will learn much much faster than the past (think about how much more effective GPT4 is as a learning tool than the "rubber ducky method" or manpages or even stackoverflow). And a part of their role will morph into prompting GPT4 (much like this senior engineer has started doing). If GPTx ends up in the narrow area where it's universally smarter than junior engs but definitely not ca…

You think GPT4 is more effective than learning how to read a manual? Or some of the best SO answers?

GPT explains things in a personalised way, it's in no way in the same league as manuals. It's each user's native language.
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