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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#151

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“AI” isn’t bull shit, it’s correctly labeled. It’s intelligence which is artificial: i.e. fake, ersatz, specious, not genuine… It’s our fault for not just reading the label. (I absolutely agree with your post and your viewpoint, just to be clear!)

Artifical means "not human" in this context for me, but I understand "Intelligence" as the abiltiy to actual reason about something based on things you learned and/or experienced, and these "AI" tools don't do this at all. But defining "intelligence" is a philosopical question that doesn't necessarily have one answer for everything and everyone.

Personally, I try to take a more inductive approach. We don’t know what intelligence is, but we assume it’s something we exhibit. We also clearly recognize other animals as possessing the same trait to varying degrees. Since we don’t know what it is, and since (I would argue) we can only convincingly claim that exists in other biological organisms without meeting a high burden of proof, to claim that it exists in an inorganic substrate requires a VERY large burden of proof to be met, similar to what would be met if you were claiming that magic existed. In my view, calling computers “intelligent” is in the same league as claiming that crystals are magic. Of course, this depends on my own philosophical interpretation of what intelligence is, as you say.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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I can say with a certain degree of confidence that you haven't actually used CoPilot daily.

This is such a bullshit answer. No, I don't use it daily because I tried it for a couple hours and it suggested nothing useful and several harmful. Why would I keep using it?

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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#153
Me too. Especially since ChatGPT, the overhype has gone wild. I think it's because it's the first Chatbot, that repeatedly solves the Turing test for the masses. What annoys me the most, is that people fall for the illusion of talking to an intelligent being and the media (i've read) does not seem to hesitate to debunk it.

That uncritical handling along with a growing offer can lead to the next big bullshit bubble.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Yes but there's nothing new in what you say. Whenever something new comes out, people try to capitalize on the buzzword, even if what they're doing has zero relevance in practice. The whole "X but in Y" thing reinvents itself all the time. "X but in Rust". "X but on the blockchain". "X but with Neural Networks". "X but with nanobots". "X but quantum".

Best you can hope if you're a "Y" person is for the marketers to get bored of the current Y and jump to the next one, leaving yours alone.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#156

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

> The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe I agree. And the worst thing is that the bullshit hype comes round every decade or so, and people run around like headless chickens insisting that "this time its different", and "this time its the REAL THING". As you say, first(ish) there was ELIZA. Than this that and everything else. Then Autonomy and all that dot-com er…

This is not always true, see Chess.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#158

Engineers are always building things that are incredible, then turning their back on it as ordinary once the problem is solved, “oh that’s so normal, it was just a little math, a little tweak, no big deal”. AI has gone through a lot of stages of “only X can be done by a human”-> “X is done by AI” -> “oh, that’s just some engineering, that’s not really human” or “no longer in the category of mystical things we can’t e…

I generally agree that we quickly adjust to new tech and forget how impactful it is.

But I can’t fully get on board with this:

> but how is re-enforcement “Learning”, not exactly the same as reading books to a toddler and pointing at a picture and having them repeat what it is? Start digging into the human with the same engineering view, and suddenly it also just become a bunch of parts. Where is the human in the human once all the human parts are explained like an engineer would.

The parent teaching a toddler bears some vague resemblance to machine learning, but the underlying results of that learning (and the process of learning itself) could not be any more different.

More problematic than this, while you may be correct that we will eventually be able to explain human biology with the precision of an engineer, these recent AI advances have not made meaningful progress towards that goal, and such an achievement is arguably many decades away.

It seems you are concluding that because we might eventually explain human biology, we can draw conclusions now about AI as if such an explanation had already happened.

This seems deeply problematic.

AI is “real” in the sense that we are making good progress on advancing the capabilities of AI software. This does not imply we’ve meaningfully closed the gap with human intelligence.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#159

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

“It’s just statistics” is an evergreen way to dismiss AI. The problem is you’re also just statistics.

Source for consciousness / intelligence to be "statistics"?

I don't think there is any because there is no functional model for what organic intelligence is or how it operates. There are plethora of fascinating attempts / models but only a subset implore that it is solely "statistical". And even if it was statistical, the implementation of the wet system is absolutely not like a gigantic list of vectorized (stripped of their essence) tokens

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#160

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

I'm more fatigued by people denying the obvious that ChatGPT and similar models are revolutionary. People have been fantasizing about the dawn of AI for almost a century and none managed to predict the rampant denialism of the past few months. I suppose it makes sense though. Denial is the default response when we face threats to our identity and sense of self worth.

So, to you, ChatGPT is approaching AGI?
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