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Re: Ask HN: Have you ever heard of users demonstrating against software?

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Old school RuneScape is an mmorpg where each game update goes to a vote, and if it doesn’t get 75% approval the updates are not worked on by devs and don’t get released. The community feels a strong ownership and connection over the game. So much so that when the development company (Jagex) makes a wrong decision, it’s common for users to “riot” in game. They go to a specific world, at a specific town, place down spe…

wait, you're telling me Runescape is still alive?

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever heard of users demonstrating against software?

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Old school RuneScape is an mmorpg where each game update goes to a vote, and if it doesn’t get 75% approval the updates are not worked on by devs and don’t get released. The community feels a strong ownership and connection over the game. So much so that when the development company (Jagex) makes a wrong decision, it’s common for users to “riot” in game. They go to a specific world, at a specific town, place down spe…

wait, you're telling me Runescape is still alive?

Yeah, at least Old School Runescape gets weekly updates. It's apparently bigger than something like Elder Scrolls Online. Community is also really active, with an open-source client (https://runelite.net) and one of the best game wiki's I've ever seen (https://osrs.wiki).

Fun fact, JaGex at some point decided they wanted to ban the RuneLite client, riots ensued, and now RuneLite is actually listed on the official website.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever heard of users demonstrating against software?

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In Denmark something similar happened a few years back. Sundhedsplatformen is also an implementation of Epic. But I don't think there was a big demonstration like this. There was a lot of bad press when this happened, but today we don't hear a lot about it, probably because the system in the end proved to be better than what it replaced. Also, a lot of bugs was closed.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever heard of users demonstrating against software?

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post #17

Old school RuneScape is an mmorpg where each game update goes to a vote, and if it doesn’t get 75% approval the updates are not worked on by devs and don’t get released. The community feels a strong ownership and connection over the game. So much so that when the development company (Jagex) makes a wrong decision, it’s common for users to “riot” in game. They go to a specific world, at a specific town, place down spe…

> While not rioting in real life, it feels familiar.

The Ultima Online postmortem session from GDC 2018 has some similar stories about in-game protests. The stories in said session are quite entertaining, and there is a lot of other interesting information too in the session. The whole thing is worth a watch.

https://youtu.be/lnnsDi7Sxq0

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Old school RuneScape is an mmorpg where each game update goes to a vote, and if it doesn’t get 75% approval the updates are not worked on by devs and don’t get released. The community feels a strong ownership and connection over the game. So much so that when the development company (Jagex) makes a wrong decision, it’s common for users to “riot” in game. They go to a specific world, at a specific town, place down spe…

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Re: Ask HN: Have you ever heard of users demonstrating against software?

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>technically-mandatory-but-not-mandatory-if-you're-in-a-hurry :/

In my experience, the software development profession could spend a long, long time doing some self-reflection about this one. It's eloquently stated, and something a lot of developers could learn. Too many times, I've seen overly restrictive inputs cause users to hate and distrust the software. Ironically, overly restrictive inputs cause users to think that the software doesn't properly understand the domain, which…

At our company we came to the same conclusion. We have a DSL that is essentially a programmable schema to describe the shape of the data (more specifically a contract) you want to capture as well as how answers and decisions are derived from it. The only hard validation we have are types, eg. you can't put letters in a box that captures a number type. Other than types the rest is soft-validation which means that you can input anything, even if it is partial or not quite correct, and the system will do its best with what it has. In tandem, at any point in time you can ask the system to tell you what is missing and/or incorrect. All this then affects the lifecycle of the information, ie. you can't move past certain checkpoints in the workflow if the information is not in the required shape. In the context of a medical software imagine you can fill in just the things that will get you back meaningful answers to help you treat someone and you can deal with the rest after to make the case complete.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever heard of users demonstrating against software?

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> Have this ever happen in history before? How bad can something be that users go out in the street to demostrate?

We used to have this in Ukraine but the war successfully halted all the strikes. To tell shortly, any shop which sells anything must report on any buying to the authority. This is kinda stupid because if you are selling something on weight, you need to jongle with too many devices: a weight-meter to weight (it can accept a cost of something being weighted), then a calc to sum if number of goods is more than 1, then a laptop to fill a message to an authority, then a terminal to let client pay with card. The programs the authority gives us just can not deal with goods which are selling on weight, so we are cheating them kind of I can not tell the government that I have sold a one kilogram of rice for ₴60 but I can tell that I sold 60 candies each per ₴1 (the fact that ₴60 is going to my bank account is definitely visible by thems and this number requires to be grounded). Imagine a girl who do not like to be a technician and she goes to be a seller in a grocery shop, and what she gets today? A lot of typing job. Guess how many seller girls in Ukraine can touchtype if there are no mandatory touchtype lessons in our school even now.

And do you know what the laptops are doing in Ukrainian grocery shops? They are running an account software in browser.

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