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Re: Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

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post #11

Especially since the removal of downvoting it's hard to get to good quality material. Majority of tech videos are a case of blind leading the blind and unless you know the subject already it's hard to spot. Nowadays I start with a forum/reddit/discord/hn search for a list of hive approved creators and only then go to youtube with that list in hand. Starting the search in youtube (unless for a very niche/non-marketabl…

I still downvote videos on YouTube.

Re: Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

#152
You are implicitly saying that passion and monetization are at odds with one another. By finding ways to monetize their passion people are able to spend more time pursuing their passion rather than moonlighting. People who are able to create content full-time tend to create better content - the video production quality is better, the sound is better, the presentation is more interesting - it's all gotten more professional and more engaging.

I'm now watching YouTube more than any of my other streaming content. It's more interesting content than Big Entertainment is producing and I get a chance to learn something to boot!

What I don't do - I rarely watch IT-related videos. The videos I watch are related to my interests and hobbies. If I need anything IT-specific I first start with my company's training provider who provides self-paced content specific to whatever it is I need to learn.

Re: Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

#153
post #68

I think YouTube is like Reddit: it is what you make of it. If you only ever look at the front page of Reddit, you're going to be fed memes and outrage. If you go and subscribe to a few small, focused subreddits, you're going to see things that are relevant to you. Same with YouTube. If you watch a lot of junk content, that's what it's going to feed you in recommendations. If you focus on some specific segment of cont…

> If you only ever look at the front page of Reddit, you're going to be fed memes and outrage. If you go and subscribe to a few small, focused subreddits, you're going to see things that are relevant to you.

So it is still impossible to decide today that I want to see good reviews of some technology category, whereas I am usually interested in something completely different.

Google, and I assume Youtube as well, tries really hard to connect all my different accounts and identities on different devices, browsers. That closes the escape hatch that I could have one browser identity focused on topic A and another on topic B. All in all we have to be honest here. Youtube only interest is to serve us content that will make us watch more content. They have absolutely no incentive to show me content, that is relevant to me.

Re: Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

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post #150
post #34

Yes it has. It seems like the downturn was a few years ago when they made their monetization system pay less to the content creators and introduced a high barrier to entry for monetization (1k subscribers). Add in the algorithm preferring new content and channels that publish new videos frequently (weekly or more), making it essentially a full time job staying relevant. Youtube money is not enough to pay for living i…

> Yes it has. It seems like the downturn was a few years ago when they made their monetization system pay less to the content creators Do you have a source for that? As far as I know, the YT revenue share has been stable (at 55% to the creator) for like 15 years.

Not right away and I don't have the time to search for it. Youtube is notoriously secretive about their contracts. There was a big outrage among the creators about the changes in 2017 or so.

The revenue split may have stayed the same but the revenue total has gone down, despite the huge increase in the number of ads.

E.g. Mathias Wandel has discussed the financial side of running YouTube if you want to dig deeper.

Re: Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

#155
post #68

I think YouTube is like Reddit: it is what you make of it. If you only ever look at the front page of Reddit, you're going to be fed memes and outrage. If you go and subscribe to a few small, focused subreddits, you're going to see things that are relevant to you. Same with YouTube. If you watch a lot of junk content, that's what it's going to feed you in recommendations. If you focus on some specific segment of cont…

> When I see recommendations I don't like, I flag them with "not interested" or "don't recommend channel".

Recommendation engines like YouTube are way too confident in their own abilities, to the point that they hide first-class operations like these behind the little three-dot menu on videos. They support negative feedback reluctantly, to the detriment of society.

I bet you their reasoning is "well, not many people use it so it doesn't need to be up front", but the problem is that it must be used in order to tailor the feed correctly, and now many people don't even know it's an option because it's hidden.

Re: Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

#156
I found that TikTok provides better content since YouTube has become so saturated with 10+ minute videos where the first half is literally paraphrasing some other source. As an example, I recently been looking at trucks and found better, more personal content from creators on TikTok that I actually care about (like experience, driving, interesting angles). It's similar to when I search for something and add "reddit" at the end, I want to see real people say real reviews, not some blog articles where every link is a referral link.

Re: Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

#157

Maybe in some areas (software) but I'm finding YouTube a goldmine for my current interest - learning to drive in the UK When I was 17 I started learning for about 8 months but then stopped due to various reasons. I'm 35 now and picking it back up again and the most mind blowing aspect of it is how much content there is on YouTube to help learner drivers, compared to back then! There are loads of creators (usually dri…

If you're seeking a horrorshow of real life "don't do this" examples of questionable driving practices I recommend DashCamOwners: UK: https://www.youtube.com/c/UKDashCameras/videos AU: https://www.youtube.com/c/DashCamOwnersAustralia/videos both drive on the same side.

DashCamOwnersAustralia has destroyed the productivity of too many of my work days.

"I'll just watch one while I eat lunch" is a slippery slope.

Re: Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

#158
post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the OP's point is that people like Colin Furze used to film themselves and just put out content, but now they court sponsors and have a production team. All of the people you mentioned have a production team, I think. I've got some channels I watch that don't have production crews (I think) like "Under Dunn" and I enjoy them every bit as much as the big ones you named, if not more... But there's no doubt that…

It's true that monetization has changed things and I can understand that for some folks it's bad but for some I think it's been really good. In the old days the content was only driven by passion, because it wasn't really possible to make a living or fund a production team. These days, you get guys like Colin Furze who are able to do what they're passionate about full-time, with nice equipment and staff to support th…

Tom Scott is perhaps a better example of how hollow monetised content can be.

His formula is taking topics that have been covered by other creators, dumbing the content down a bit, adding a sponsor block and a clickbait title. There's no effort expended in contributing new topics, or adding new colour to existing topics because researching that requires too much time and expertise to repeat day after day.

Re: Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

#159
post #11

Especially since the removal of downvoting it's hard to get to good quality material. Majority of tech videos are a case of blind leading the blind and unless you know the subject already it's hard to spot. Nowadays I start with a forum/reddit/discord/hn search for a list of hive approved creators and only then go to youtube with that list in hand. Starting the search in youtube (unless for a very niche/non-marketabl…

There is an addon to bring back downvote visibility in firefox. [1] I believe it makes a call to an API on a 3rd party site so there may be privacy implications.

[1] - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/return-youtub...

Re: Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

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post #148
post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so frustrating, too. I watch those videos to learn something new about the product (actual pros and cons, specific feature implementations, ...). But most of the time the "reviewer" basically reads the product description and goes over the list of features that I can find on literally any shop page that has that product. It's so hard to find videos of people that have actually used the product for longer periods…

This extends to review articles as well. 20 years ago there used to be magazines that reviewed products by actually using them. There were also users reviewing products and there were websites where these personal reviews were aggregated Nowadays all review article just work off the specs without using and testing the products. And the user reviews have moved to Amazon, which are mostly very poor quality or just fake…

For all its flaws, this is why I still check the Wirecutter before I buy a lot of things. Although they seem to make their picks in part based on what will get them affiliate revenue, you can be sure someone on the staff has actually picked up the product and used it enough to understand how well it works.

I've also found user reviews on Home Depot to be more helpful than most. I'm not sure what they're doing to combat spam, but it seems to be working.

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