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Re: Ask HN: What happened to Clubhouse?

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Post by cwillu »

zackbloom wrote: post #29

The most wild thing, to me, is how effectively it has been taken over by scam artists. The other day I tuned into a 'startup pitch' show where the premise is you pitch your company idea to an 'investor'. Unfortunately in practice the investor applauds your idea, and then claims he will 'invest' engineering time worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, but he needs you to 'prove you are serious' by investing tens of th…

Somebody got sick of saying “if I had a nickle for every time somebody had some great idea for an app” and decided to go out there and get the nickle.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to Clubhouse?

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Post by jploh »

scyzoryk_xyz wrote: post #73
latchkey wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I appreciate that it helps the blind community, the deaf community was really left out. I personally saw at least one complaint about this in a group that I'm in.

I'm sorry if this is a bit insensitive, but if we're talking about a sound conversation based platform, isn't it a bit absurd for deaf communities to be upset?

I have a friend I knew from work who is severely hard of hearing (and we were actually a business phone company). I invited him to Clubhouse and asked him to try Twitter Spaces. We haven't seen captioning work on Clubhouse whereas it's available to all users on Twitter Spaces.

Also, isolated to me or a tiny subset of users - the only way to sign in is with a OTP sent via SMS. The delivery is very spotty for my carrier for some unknown reason (other services can deliver fine). So like right now, I can't log in and have to wait until they quietly restore delivery.

It's unfortunate because the stability of the Clubhouse app is far better than Twitter Spaces. A group I'm with has spent promoting events and it's embarrassing and annoying to have the Twitter Space unexpectedly end for everyone if the app of the "host" crashes.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to Clubhouse?

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Post by Kye »

Invictus0 wrote: post #87
Kye wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the same situation with everything being a video now. I do better with diagrams and text, but now I have to sit through someone jabbering for 9 minutes for 1 minute of content to please the algorithm. And as someone who wants to make how-tos, getting any traffic to text these days is nearly impossible.

Huh? What serious subject has only video tutorials and no text/diagrams? I also don't understand your argument about traffic to text at all, we're on a high-traffic mostly-text site right now with plenty of how-to style content.

>> "Huh?"

I know, right

>> "What serious subject has only video tutorials and no text/diagrams?"

This sets us up to be at odds because now I feel like I have to mind-read what you consider serious to not have you dismiss any example I offer. Do you consider Minecraft serious? It's Ground Zero for this kind of thing.

>> "I also don't understand your argument about traffic to text at all, we're on a high-traffic mostly-text site right now with plenty of how-to style content."

"nearly"

Have you ever looked at the new link page? Few things get traction. And HN's patience with self-promotion would falter fast if I linked off to a Patreon/Ko-fi/whatever any time I gave good advice. I've only ever had one person wander in through the link in my profile and support my Patreon. I appreciate people who can afford to spend their time going deep here while developing the skills and having the experiences that backstop that advice, but most people are far from that rarified position. I can't do the kind of zero-BS how-to stuff I want to do, get traction in the modern media environment (meaning audio and/or video), and not get some kind of compensation for it.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to Clubhouse?

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Post by Invictus0 »

Kye wrote: post #154
Invictus0 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? What serious subject has only video tutorials and no text/diagrams? I also don't understand your argument about traffic to text at all, we're on a high-traffic mostly-text site right now with plenty of how-to style content.

>> "Huh?" I know, right >> "What serious subject has only video tutorials and no text/diagrams?" This sets us up to be at odds because now I feel like I have to mind-read what you consider serious to not have you dismiss any example I offer. Do you consider Minecraft serious? It's Ground Zero for this kind of thing. >> "I also don't understand your argument about traffic to text at all, we're on a high-traffic mostly…

No, Minecraft is obviously not a serious subject, it's a videogame. But even so, there are tons of books with minecraft tutorials out there, and a quick search shows this page [0] with tons of text/diagram tutorials. The fact that you struggle to get paid has nothing to do with the state of tutorials on the web. Other people are making plenty of money selling minecraft books to kids.

[0] https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Tutorials

Re: Ask HN: What happened to Clubhouse?

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Post by Kye »

Invictus0 wrote: post #155
Kye wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> "Huh?" I know, right >> "What serious subject has only video tutorials and no text/diagrams?" This sets us up to be at odds because now I feel like I have to mind-read what you consider serious to not have you dismiss any example I offer. Do you consider Minecraft serious? It's Ground Zero for this kind of thing. >> "I also don't understand your argument about traffic to text at all, we're on a high-traffic mostly…

No, Minecraft is obviously not a serious subject, it's a videogame. But even so, there are tons of books with minecraft tutorials out there, and a quick search shows this page [0] with tons of text/diagram tutorials. The fact that you struggle to get paid has nothing to do with the state of tutorials on the web. Other people are making plenty of money selling minecraft books to kids. [0] https://minecraft.fandom.com/…

Who said anything about making Minecraft tutorials? It was an example with a comment you skipped over.

You aren't being serious. Shoo.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to Clubhouse?

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Post by cosmodisk »

zackbloom wrote: post #29

The most wild thing, to me, is how effectively it has been taken over by scam artists. The other day I tuned into a 'startup pitch' show where the premise is you pitch your company idea to an 'investor'. Unfortunately in practice the investor applauds your idea, and then claims he will 'invest' engineering time worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, but he needs you to 'prove you are serious' by investing tens of th…

There's a company that does something very similar a few floors up in our office building. The website is atrocious,the 'tech' is so absurd that it could win absurd of a month award. Yet, the most expensive cars, with the company logo, some shady links with Russia and etc. It's a joke. I feel bad for people who fall for it.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to Clubhouse?

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Post by Traster »

Right from the beginning Clubhouse felt like it was trying to Make Fetch Happen. There was the company itself - loudly shouting about how it was the future, their VC backers loudly shouting about how it was the future, and then a bunch of SV bros whose entire brands are caught up in being seen to be early adopters. So they all jump on it because they want to be seen to be early adopters, and scream about how they were in on the ground floor of The Next Big Thing. But the truth is that there was never any value proposition to it, all of the value the company was trying to claim in the early days was purely down to the celebrity guests who were never going to stay because they had no reason to let their value accrue to clubhouse.

The distinguishing feature of clubhouse wasn't live audio chats, it was Silicon Valley VCs hyping up a valueless app for completely self-interested reason.

There is also this really weird strain of investors in SV who have noticed that journalists have started covering some of the problems in by silicon valley and decided that they - billionaire business owners - are a persecuted minority who must be protected from these evil reporters. And you see from these guys a continual effort to try and replace online media with something they can control.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to Clubhouse?

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Post by b0afc375b5 »

cj wrote: post #121
misiti3780 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

somehow Quora is still around though - how?

A fairly large percent of my google searches contain answers from Quora on page 1. They’re playing the SEO game well. And from that comes traffic, which I’m guessing they must be monetizing. It’s the new “Yahoo Answers”

I dislike it when the top result of my search is Quora. My knee-jerk reaction is to add '-quora' to the search term.

On the rare occasion that I click on a Quora link, I am immediately harassed by a nagging registration popup, further fuelling my hatred of Quora and immediately pressing back and appending 'reddit' to my search term.

Re: Ask HN: What happened to Clubhouse?

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Post by nebula8804 »

scyzoryk_xyz wrote: post #71
seanhunter wrote: post #3

My hypothesis is that a lot of the early hype was down to people who liked the idea of being part of an exclusive club but didn't really like when everyone else was also part of the club. Then twitter launched "Spaces", meaning people could have a similar experience to clubhouse without building yet another social network.

The Twitter Spaces move reminds me of the Instagram Stories move. As in life, upstarts with killer new features sometimes manage to take only a temporary hold and are easy to rip off if they don't manage to protect what they've got.

Did Twitter Spaces actually take off? My only experience of it was super early on when a celebrity I really likes joined a Twitter space to promote her new project but in an effort to record the conversation, I discovered that the iPad was not supported at the time. :/

Since then I have not heard a peep about Twitter Spaces.

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