Also, maybe go on an interview or two. Can't hurt to have the confidence that other offers are possible if this goes further south.
Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?
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#152> Part of the reason it had taken so long is because I put a substantial amount of work into a part of the project that's no longer necessary due to changing requirements, which I don't think I could have forseen. One of the things that I've experienced with new grad junior devs is that there's an adjustment needed to change from academic working to business working. In academia, usually the professor gives an assign…
Definitely, I remember as well, that everything they hated me for in school was super beneficial in business. Copying other work? Amazing. Telling boss that I don't have time to do the new task? Trendemous. Solving issue without using latest tech that I just learnt? Incredible. Compaining that some parts of task are harder than anticipated? Brilliant. The only hard part is to bring fake absences into this mindset, so…
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#153Scenario 1) You did produce substandard shit code that could have been done in a week. In that case, figure out what you did wrong and learn from it. Most fresh college grads produce shit code, it's just a thing. No one holds it against you because you're young and new. In this case, recognize the advice from someone better and more experienced than you, and just do better next time. Don't take it personally as an at…
The professional habit I developed to manage scenario 2 started out as upward directed leadership and sometimes turned into simply coaching my bosses to be better themselves. There's a part that jumps out to me in the OP, the requirements changed so a lot of his work went to waste. Incredibly common. Equally common is management not realizing that it's something that they should take ownership of.
But once you spend some time in the industry you've seen enough that you can recognize the mistakes of your superiors, and you feel comfortable enough to point them out. Because what are they going to do, fire you? Better to be fired by a stubborn boss who refuses to learn than to work under one, I'd say.
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#156That's a pretty unfair judgment to pass on your work based on a decision that was almost certainly made at a level far above you.
I don't know if this is mentioned explicitly, but your company sounds small. Here's something I didn't learn until a decade into my career: good managers are expensive. The corollary to this fact is that good management is frequently too expensive for small companies to afford. That means your managers will likely be, at best, inexperienced, or at worst, actively harmful (for example: they don't really want to be managers).
I suspect that your manager is blocking and tackling some of the boss's bullshit. Giving your manager the benefit of the doubt, and assuming that's the case, it sounds like she made the mistake of putting you in a position to receive some unconsidered feedback from the boss without positing herself as a moderating factor.
I don't have great guidance for you here - just context. If the tech challenges are enough to keep you happy, then stay. If it's weighing on your mind, and an honest conversation with your manager (if you trust her that much) doesn't fix it, then leave. (The job market is red hot right now. You'll be A-OK.)
I will say that this situation does remind me how tired I've become of working small cos with lousy management. I've just spent enough of my life dealing with it.
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#157Shrug it off and keep your head down. Keep on producing good work. Your manager should of deflected this sort of stuff and you are a junior developer. The responsibility doesn't really fall on you. Take some notes about what you can do better on future projects and try and improve. Rinse and repeat. Gj on delivering.
Be slightly wary of taking advice from people that use 'of', instead of 'have'.
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#158It’s possible that there is objectively nothing wrong with your performance, but situation like this can still happen.
Your bosses behavior may be the way they operate to influence others or it may be a one time loss of nerves.
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#159Your boss is gaslighting & intimidating you. - Do not be intimidated into thinking you did your work poorly. I've seen this happen many times with employees being guilt tripped, especially the younger more junior employees. You are a professional and the work you do is important for the company, you do it with pride and to the best of your ability. - Beware of gaslighting. Some bosses can be incredibly manipulative a…
Not all companies and bosses are the same, but even well intentioned people can have some of these traits depending on the situation. The end goal is to have a good work/life balance and not work yourself to death.
* Put yourself first no matter what. No job is worth your mental and physical health. If you will work for your own company some day maybe then it's worth putting in the extra effort. Maybe not even then.
* Respect yourself and make sure they respect you.
* Do not allow to be bullied in the future. Bullying can come in many forms. Sometimes it's an inappropriate comment from a colleague or boss. Make sure you say it out loud when it happens but do it respectfully, in a serious tone: "I'm very surprised of your comment ", "This is a professional setting ". "We are at work here ".
* Do not allow them to overwork you. Most of the time you won't get paid for working late and no one will appreciate it. Finish your work at 5PM. If your contract states 9 to 5 then that's exactly what you are doing. Stand up from your desk and leave. Ignore snarky comments from colleagues or bosses. There's absolutely nothing they can do legally to make you work more than you have specified in your contract. They will whine and moan about stuff that needs to get done ASAP. Stuff will get done regardless of you leaving now or an hour later.
* Do not be intimidated into thinking you did your work poorly. I've seen this happen many times with employees being guilt tripped, especially the younger more junior employees. You are a professional and the work you do is important for the company, you do it with pride and to the best of your ability.
* Beware of gaslighting. Some bosses can be incredibly manipulative and will resort to all sort of tactics to get more from you. They can have you attend more meetings than necessary because there's a deadline coming up for them. They might want to shift the blame to you when something hasn't been done in their department, even when it wasn't your job in the first place. When this happens clearly state that it is not your responsibility and that you do your job well and on time.
* Stop caring too much about company problems, and focus on your own work. You should not care if the manager does his job poorly or if the company is not doing so well. It not your fault. They are running the business poorly.
* Raise issues early and in writing. A quick email to HR or your boss depending on the situation can work well. Exercise diplomacy and keep a copy - print to PDF works.
* When you are sick take sick leave, do not allow to be bullied into coming in to work or working from home instead.
* Do not divulge too much about your personal life at work. This can sometimes be used as leverage against you. Loose lips sink ships.
* Leave work problems at work. This is easier said than done but at the end of the day you shouldn't care about what happens there after you have left for the day. Enjoy time with family and friends.
I have been manipulated, bullied, devalued and treated poorly at work by Machiavellian bosses. I would never allow these things to happen again.
I've had recruiters trying to low-ball me from the very first call with a smaller salary figure than the one they had advertised (or with completely different terms than advertised), by suggesting that my skills were somehow not up to scratch. I respectfully told them that my skills are exactly the ones stated on the CV and hang up.
Good luck and try to stay positive. Focus on yourself and what benefit you get out of work.
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#160One of a manager's many responsibilities is to be a "shit umbrella". This means taking the often direct, often unfiltered (often ill-informed and ill-considered) feedback of higher-ups and filtering down to only what you need to hear to actually help you do your job. And conversely, when these opinions are shared, another responsibility is to "manage up" and guide or reset expectations, filling in gaps.
When the umbrella is absent, we all get drenched. It happens to everyone at some point.
One reason this experience was so shocking is because it came entirely out of the blue. That was probably by design of your manager - they didn't share these concerns about your project because you don't need to hear them right now. Your manager knows the project is overdue, your manager knows they need you working on other things ASAP. And your manager also knows you, your strengths, and some areas that can be improved. And your manager is... managing all those variables.
These aren't things you should have to worry about at this stage of your career. And chances are, what the higher-level boss says about your current project has little correlation to your security at the company. It's just brutally unfiltered (and unhelpful) feedback about the project. The only person with enough context to have that conversation is likely your manager.
Talk to your manager about the conversation you got stuck in and your concerns. You'll feel a lot better after.