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Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

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post #126

On point 5. There was this website that tried to promote RSS and Atom but, unfortunately, it doesn't work anymore. You could get some ideas for how to explain why RSS/Atom is important, so here's an archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20200707230716/https://mg.guelke...

The original site still load for me. Maybe it was down for a minute? Thanks for the link!

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

#152

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All paranoid conspiracizing aside, the NYT has a metric fuckton of different RSS feeds that all work perfectly fine. RSS is primarily a notification system and only secondarily a content-delivery one.

Though this is one reason why we can do better than RSS: the implementer (or HN commenter) isn’t the one that should get to decide what I primarily or secondarily use my “feed reader” for. In this case, my local post-RSS feed reader is absolutely a way for me to store content for consumption on my own time, not just a notification service. You’re right about RSS. I just see a better solution for this idea of a conten…

Though this is one reason why we can do better than RSS: the implementer (or HN commenter) isn’t the one that should get to decide what I primarily or secondarily use my “feed reader” for. In this case, my local post-RSS feed reader is absolutely a way for me to store content for consumption on my own time, not just a notification service.

I don't care what you use it for. You can use SMS messages primarily to make a phone stuffed in your underwear keep vibrating, but if you want to complain that it's an inconvenient teledildonics protocol and client, that's on you.

Though, if you think you can code up a "smart client" that doesn't use puny RSS, but can "handle all websites" and will work better at tracking and delivering content to you than RSS does on zillions of websites (including new ones), you open up your editor and get at it, then. Have fun.

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

#153

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You can get the NYT literally delivered to your door in completely offline form. I used to pick up a copy to read during lunch at work, back before smartphones. The Sunday NYT is a bit of a challenge , mind you.

The news I'm interested in doesn't come in a newspaper though. Too niche.

I'd point to something like Feedbin's ability to pull remote content from the subscribed site, then. No idea how well it works on something with an e-ink display, though. You might look whether anyone's made a stand-alone RSS client aimed at offline reading that has that ability.

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

#154

I almost never find something I want to follow that doesn't have a feed. As someone pointed out to me, most of the RSS nostalgia is really more Google Reader nostalgia. I found that weird as it wasn't the first or the last RSS reader I used, but it was the reader that made RSS closest to mainstream. And for many people, it was the only reader they ever used, and so they're completely unaware of the ecosystem of web-b…

It's not just pushing web-based readers: I think the largest thing behind Google Reader nostalgia was social . It was Google's biggest social network to date in terms of daily active usage. (They'll throw stats that Google Plus did "better", but who is nostalgic for Google Plus, exactly?) That's why it got the closest to breaking mainstream: it wasn't just "go out in the wilds and hunt for RSS feeds on blogs" like mo…

Considering that the social angle was not what people bemoaning the lack of updates for Reader, then its shutdown, complained about? I don't think that was the majority usage by far. You (and the two people responding to that effect) may be literally the first people I've seen bring up the social functions of Google Reader in conversations and articles as something they missed since it shut down.

That said, if you want a social network, they exist. If you want an RSS reader, they exist. If you think reading web pages and adding feeds to an RSS reader is going into "the wilds", you may not want the latter.

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

#155
post #43

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I think it covers 5. Could be extended a bit (especially if in the future there really exists a group with activity that can be presented as well), but it's awesome and very close! Are you the author? 2 was different. I was thinking about what happens when a user clicks on a feed - it's not very user friendly, especially now that browsers just show the XML file content. If we had a mechanism that wraps that request a…

> I was thinking about what happens when a user clicks on a feed - it's not very user friendly, especially now that browsers just show the XML file content. If we had a mechanism that wraps that request and gives the user a way to subscribe directly via one of the many available feed reader, that would help a lot. I agree. But I'm also willing to think that a simple button to copy the feed URL would suffice. Since fe…

RSS feed embedding/autodiscovery is a thing. I don't even remember the last time I've bothered with a feed link.

https://www.rssboard.org/rss-autodiscovery

Back in the day, I think Firefox even put an icon in the address bar when a feed was available.

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

#156
post #45

Perhaps the most important thing we can do is fund a scraper that creates an RSS feed for sites that don't have one.

It's a decent stopgap, but a bad primary effort. If you get big enough to notice, you end up offering basically two things to the people running those sites:

1) Do work and support RSS or

2) Do nothing and we do it for you for free

Which do you think they'll choose? And then you're stuck running a big clearinghouse for RSS feeds, with fund-raising problems, users griping at you because some feed isn't perfect, etc.

Myself, I've had decent success just asking if someone could please add an RSS feed to their site the few times it's come up. It's apparently easy to do in many CMS's that don't do it by default.

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

#157

Another service that would be useful would be an email list to rss bridge. So you can get marketing emails as rss then easily unsubscribe by simple removing the feed. One reason i love rss is a deal site in my country offer a feed of when a particular product is at a discount. So i can subscribe to those and get alerts when that happens.

NewsBlur has this capability

As does Feedbin.

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

#158
post #20

I was a heavy user of rss for a long time, then around 2014 stopped using it until about a year ago. The reason I stopped using it was that my desktop isn’t my primary form of consumption. I began to expect my lists and read status to be synchronized across my phone, tablet, and laptop. This meant using a service, and I really didn’t want another paid or fermium service. This all changed last year when I finally set…

Web-based readers. That's one major reason why I use Feedbin instead of a desktop app or elfeed in Emacs.

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

#159
post #26

For info: As many websites are built by clever people and/or based on somewhat ready-made frameworks, when you DON'T see the RSS/Atom icons appear -> take a look at the source of the website and search (ctrl-f) for the word "rss" or "atom" or "xml" -> you might end up finding a surviving RSS link in there.

So that you know, that's autodiscovey, not some weird remnant. That's so you can just put the URL for the page in your feed reader and it can find the feed(s) for you. Browsers with RSS support detected it, too.

https://www.rssboard.org/rss-autodiscovery

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