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Re: Ask HN: How to optimize your career for happiness?

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Major issue is Community service and tutoring/helping kids lack involvement. If you can be fully invested and involved then that's definitely better way to do. But most people can get much more involved easily when it's thier own children.

But having kids is all-in: there is no turning back and no flexibility I would feel so much more limited and bounded in what I can do in the world, because my own financial future and my own mortality would be way more relevant with dependents.

Yeah, it's just biology. Works for some, not for others. The problem with the advice 'have kids for meaning in life' is if you do have kids and you get nothing out of it, you might resent the kid which would ruin two lives.

That said, I didn't have my first kid until my late 30s and every thing I did prior to that seems like a pointless waste of time now. YMMV.

Re: Ask HN: How to optimize your career for happiness?

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And for those who are able, getting married and having children will tend to bring even more fulfillment than becoming a clown.

My twenty-year-old self wasn't ready to hear this, but it's absolutely true. Fulfillment follows from meaning, and meaning flows from responsibilities we bear.

This idea is basically conservatism. It works for a lot of people, there must be something to it, but it's not some kind of objective truth or the only outlook on life.

Re: Ask HN: How to optimize your career for happiness?

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> GPL it. MIT/Apache/BSD it, IMO.

No thanks. Belonging to a community and helping it grow is important for happiness. Community building (and empowering users) is the main point of copyleft. Permissive licenses are equivalent to unpaid labor in the eyes of SaaS companies and other freeloaders.

I've dealt with enough GPL crusaders. They're the most unhappiest bunch. I love the philosophy of FreeBSD. Old school Berkeley liberatarianism.

> Permissive licenses are equivalent to unpaid labor in the eyes of SaaS companies and other freeloaders.

Or... you could be less resentful (and therefore happy) and think about helping the 'small guy' make it out and compete with large companies. I sometimes forget that we're on a startup tech forum.

I know you're not saying this, but in general I am fed up with the idea that anything commerical == evil. How the hell is it evil to build something, improve the world, provide value to others and get paid to put food on the table for your family? If you were to survey people that work in private companies, they're just like you and I. Normal people. They have not a shred of evil in them.

That said, ethics is important. I’m down with shaming and naming (or sueing) anyone that violates T&C of a license, GPL or BSD, doesn’t matter.

Re: Ask HN: How to optimize your career for happiness?

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> why take on responsibility through having children? Why not pickup any other type of responsibilty? like, community service, tutoring/helping kids from less fortunate places or in the worst case even Picking up more responsibility from work? The other day I was flicking through my notepad in my home office and found hand written notes from my 6 year old daughter saying how much she loved me. Yes kids are a massive…

Imagine what happens when it doesn't go right with children and you're in this situation. I have a daughter who caught bacterial meningitis at birth and had to have a brain surgery to solve the infection. Her existence is tragic, she is with us but she is going to have a lifetime of challenges and we've already been through the ringer. Now ever day is like waking up with a mortal wound, and to have other kids who nee…

Thanks for sharing this. I hope you find a way through and wish your family the best.

Re: Ask HN: How to optimize your career for happiness?

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For me, almost everything starts at my work. Not sure what's wrong with me, maybe I'm too engaged, maybe I feel too responsible for my job... But my actual well-being is almost 100% related to the work. I'm stressed almost all the time. Won't go into the details, just the management sucks big way. Long story short, after work (including weekends) I'm so tired that I need a lot of totally lazy time. I strive for activ…

How have you found things since going back after the 3 weeks? I identify with what you're saying quite strongly, I'm still debugging the fundamental issues and how to fix them. For my situation I suspect a strong component is personality-related and that I probably need some prolonged period of time away from work to reset my body and brain and be free from high stress situations for a while. From browsing past threa…

> For my situation I suspect a strong component is personality-related

I think that's true for me, too. While the work organisation and environment is simply bad, I believe that the large part of harm is self-inducted in my case. Changing workplace would definitely help, but I definitely need to work on the underlying personal issues. I think about some kind of therapy to worry less...

I kind of trained myself to worry less. But the work-related stress is stronger, so in the end I care less for some important personal things, and I'm still frustrated with work.

> How have you found things since going back after the 3 weeks?

I felt much better... for around a week. When I went back after 3 weeks, I had a clean slate. Some topics were taken over and completed by colleagues, while others were not taken over and there was nothing to save.

But after that? It returned to "normal" state of being tired and stressed. That's not only my issue – it's a small company, and we all are overworked. Physically, we are unable to meet production deadlines, answer all emails, prepare all projects. That's just how it works. So after two weeks, I was sinking in emails, had to deal with calls from angry clients, etc.

Re: Ask HN: How to optimize your career for happiness?

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Surround yourself with people who you like. Or find something else to do beside your job that makes you happy. I think one needs some big event to make you realize your priorities and to find what you truly care about.

I, for example, have grown bit weary of programming. Emotionally I think it brings mostly numbness and you become over-focused on abstract things, at the expense of your true emotions. I don't want to become a robot.

In my spare time I now try to avoid conversing too much abstract things and rather ask how people feel or intrigue them to analyze emotions rather than go on lectures. But certainly doesn't work for every person I interact with.

Re: Ask HN: How to optimize your career for happiness?

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The software industry is designed by nature to be an absolutely soul sucking experience. Operating off the premise that most people get into computer science and programming because of the control, and general artistry, involved:

0. You are a cost center as a software engineer even if you produce value well outsized relative to your salary. You will always be a cost center because some party school MBA can't factor you into an excel sheet.

1. Sprints are way to reduce you to a set of numbers and a stupid jira photo.

2. PMs exist only to justify their own existence. They are middle managers and the modern adaptation of "agile" is some combination of Office Space and Idiocracy. From (1) the tool they use to justify their existence is some meaningless "burn down" chart they show the executives. The formalization of the process works for actual engineering (Toyota) but does not translate well to an industry that only values half-baked solutions "we'll fix at launch". It's a joke, and so are PMs.

From these points we reach the most important point

3. The industry does not value the beauty, the art, the talent, and the critical thinking required to develop good software. Room temperature IQ CEOs, VPs, and middle managers either don't understand you or are intimidated by you.

Since most of us get into this industry for that my solution to this emotionally draining and bankrupt industry is to use it to fund my own things. I went back to school, bought 3d printers and other physical-tech, and used my money to fund adventures elsewhere where creativity and problem solving is valued. I go to my job, work my 40 (or less) hours, meet EXACTLY the requirements of my title, and go home with a clear conscience. I take 5 weeks of vacation per year and don't feel bad about it for even a nanosecond. I hardly program outside of work and I've, to be honest, never felt better.

Once you realize you're just a cog in a very expensive machine, a cost center to the people who decide raises, and the (especially if you're senior+) the first to get fired and replaced with foreign contractors, it becomes obvious the only solution is to use the industry to fund your talents rather than view it as a source of anything other suffering. I would estimate 70% of engineers say they enjoy their job. 10% of those engineers work for "fun" companies, and the other 90% are lying. So find something fun to do and never try to find some semblance of meaning to your job. There isn't any.

I used to work long weeks. 50-60+ hours "for the company". I rose to nearly staff engineer level before I was let go after so many empty promises. This happened several more times in my career. I come off bitter, not because I hate the software, but I hate the tacit manipulation and "family" style gaslighting the modern tech company does.

Re: Ask HN: How to optimize your career for happiness?

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post #59

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And for those who are able, getting married and having children will tend to bring even more fulfillment than becoming a clown.

I’ll just chip in as someone who has never ever wanted kids, who met a lovely girl who was so thankful to also meet someone who has never ever wanted kids. So just because you’re ‘able’ doesn’t mean that you should. Just wanted to put this here in case others think they’re weird for really, really not wanting kids. You’re not.

"tend"

Re: Ask HN: How to optimize your career for happiness?

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The special thing I’ve done is mostly being willing to sit with hard questions like “who am I” and “what do I really want out of life and a job?”, sometimes for years at a time (low-key). The answer is always the same, and will probably always the same: I am motivated by mastery and autonomy. Thus I put lots of time into finding work that is interesting and has a lot to dig into. I routinely annoy the institutions I…

Digging the overall message but honestly people who say “I don’t like titles” come off as so pretentious to me. People care about titles by necessity. If you’re in a position to not, you’re lucky, not uniquely cool or smart.
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