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Ask HN: Is the Great Resignation in tech real? If so, why?

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Re: Ask HN: Is the Great Resignation in tech real? If so, why?

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I am looking for a job where I actually write code for real engineering problems. That does not mean play house with some framework bullshit in a permanent newb capacity. The web is 30 years old and yet many companies/developers still struggle to write the code to populate content into a web page and require stumbling around in the dark hoping a bunch of tools do their job for them. WTF? Worse, some companies like to have endless meetings all day accomplishing nothing while they blindly search for simple organizational solutions.

Some companies have figured out there is more to life than trying to pretend HTML and JavaScript are some kind of forced shoehorn Java or Python extension. Many have not. If moving to one of these competent companies means eliminating my wasted time commuting to an office plus a substantial pay raise then so be it.

Re: Ask HN: Is the Great Resignation in tech real? If so, why?

#152

In June 2021 I left Google after 6 years. I outlined my motivations here [1]. Long story short it's a conscious bet that time and energy are scarcer commodities for me than money. I'm not sure I'll last a full year but I think I have a few months left in me. [1] https://kayce.basqu.es/sabbatical/prologue

If you feel so inclined a nice project would be a RSS feed for your blog :)

Re: Ask HN: Is the Great Resignation in tech real? If so, why?

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Ever since I graduated I have worked in technology, SAAS (B2B) specifically I am 27 year old- Male, SAAS (B2B) specifically. I just accepted an offer to leave one of the hottest companies in the Bay (Went from 400 mil (2.5 Years ago, when I started) to 6 Billion today), I work in sales and have now been a part of 3 unicorns in the last 5 years. (All of them I started as an employee when they were small, 1 is worth 1.3B another worth 8B)

Here is Why I believe this trend is likely to continue and why:

Economic climate: the money being ploughed into tech startups and co's has not only grown but grown by 100% YoY see here: https://news.crunchbase.com/news/global-vc-funding-h1-2021-m... -Tech companies are the predominant receipent of these VC $$$.

Mindfulness/Actualization: I would say I am satisfied with my current job but the past 18 months brought about the perfect storm, I moved from SanFran to a small town in WA with no friends or family close by- so I had a lot of time to think and introspect. Secondly, I lost ever $ I saved since I started working ($392k to be precise)... this loss, helped me understand the real value of money- what it is worth and what it isn't, having some money saved aside- will no bring you happiness but losing it- will definitely lead to a reduction in happiness. - This leads me my hypothesis on why, this trend is happening at large and now, people introspect their lives and realized "good enough" is really not good enough- it made them yearn for more, more in some cases meant money or a higher title- like it did for me.

Emptiness Syndrome: This is my own coinage, the way I would describe this as is trying to understand the meaning of life, what is it- just getting paid enough to stay fed, to afford rent and then what? A lot of folks started to search for a meaning to their lives... See google trends on "meaning of life" and "Suicide hotline number".

These 3 powerful forces, created the perfect amalgamation for the "great resignation" - Companies with a shit ton of money, -People having time to introspect, and the Emptiness syndrome.

PS. These are the ramblings of a 27 year old, single guy with nothing to watch on netflix and nothing better to do at 2.31am at night on a Saturday.

Re: Ask HN: Is the Great Resignation in tech real? If so, why?

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Pre-Covid much of my job satisfaction came from the sense of comradery of working on a team. Even as an introvert I enjoy interacting with coworkers, and being intune with the needs of the group and generally helping other people succeed. When we transitioned to full remote, all of this was stripped away and I was left to focus purely on a product that on its own I was not passionate about (think ad-like product). I…

> much of my job satisfaction came from the sense of comradery of working on a team I think this is a seriously undervalued factor and something I was completely unaware of. I used to always judge job opportunities either by how well they pay, or how interesting the work is. But in reality, the social factor is just as important. So some time ago, I was trying to hire my first employee. I paid a lot of money for job…

Consultancy might have a boring image, but the work can be extremely varied. I was at one of the big names and got to go behind the scenes at a major theme park, spend a night with police officers on blue light calls, watch open heart surgery in person, meet a lunar astronaut and eat lunch in a tv studio watching a live broadcast.

Re: Ask HN: Is the Great Resignation in tech real? If so, why?

#155
Honestly from my perspective, the companies that don't adapt to remote work to IT related jobs that don't work require "physical place" are the ones who are gonna loose talent.

I mainly work with cloud workloads and it's without a doubt people that work in my fiel dare moving from jobs because of the lack of full remote work.

I can't complain about my company ever since we went home we signed an extension contract to work from home at full time. We also managed to start recruiting across the country and not just the "local city" where we settled in.

Re: Ask HN: Is the Great Resignation in tech real? If so, why?

#156

I still remember the days when people were posting on Slashdot that software engineering has no future in the US because it's all moving to India. As we know, that turned out not to be the case. Tech companies have been willing to pay literally 10x for engineers to work from their US headquarters. Now folks are again claiming that the era of remote work is upon us. Maybe that's true. But be careful what you wish for.

Apparently, even in China and India tech salaries are increasing. So the demand is so high that even countries with 1 billion+ population need to increase salary.

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Another introvert here, working fully remotely since before COVID. I couldn't imagine working on a product I wasn't passionate about and genuinely wanted to succeed. Most of my motivation is based around doing interesting and socially valuable work. This doesn't have to be groundbreaking, but knowing I'm helping put out some good in the world is a large factor in choosing and staying with a company. The team is also…

>To me it's mostly for the better, since everyone is focused on the product and not on some pointless team building events, company gossip or drama. It's very interesting to see how people look at relationship building with others. Many introverts on HN and Reddit see it as a mostly negative thing and equivalent people interaction and relationship building to drama, gossip, and forced friendliness.

I like making friends outside of work. To me emulating friendship in corporate environment feels cringeworthy and I literally see people forcing themselves into it. I also like to get out of the programmer environment as much as possible. I just don't like it, even though I'm a programmer myself.

Re: Ask HN: Is the Great Resignation in tech real? If so, why?

#158
My own anecdotal evidence says that I'm part of it.

I quit my old job in June to take a position that would be permanently remote forever after my old company decided they wanted us all back in the office again. It was actually kinda painful: I'd made a lot of friends at my old job, and my last day was two days before my five-year anniversary there, so it was a pretty sad goodbye. Also my new job pays so much more than my old one that it's almost comedic. Funny thing is, I've heard (thanks to going out drinking with my ex-boss) that the whole company is fully remote again after a short experiment with "hybrid" and they're paying way more than they used to thanks to getting acquired by one of the largest ISPs in the country, but I'm still not going back... nothing against anyone there (who are, again, actual friends of mine now) but I've learned so much about modern tech stacks (AWS! K8s! Helm! Terraform!) at my new job that I'd be an idiot to walk away from it.

Re: Ask HN: Is the Great Resignation in tech real? If so, why?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, being stuck inside with COVID made me stay at a job longer than I would have, because I'm stuck inside, might as well make money. Taking a sabbatical during covid lockdowns feels pretty sucky and even more isolating.

I think the american paradigm of "going out on your own" at 18 and not starting a family until you have had a career is what fuels this psychological damage. Immigrant types with big families seemed to not have this problem and are ok with whatever allows them full wfh. Myself, I never once lamented the lack of physical interaction in the office; it was a burden precisely because my full religious/family support grou…

… immigrant types? What “type” is an immigrant? Not all immigrants have “big families”.

Re: Ask HN: Is the Great Resignation in tech real? If so, why?

#160

I think inflation is a part of it. There is more money around but always the same internal reluctance to give raises that match the market. So higher inflation implies that more people have to switch jobs in order to take advantage.

A ~month ago I complained in the presence of my tech lead that the raises we got this year were below inflation. Last week I got a raise above inflation.

That and the fact that I don't want to go work in blockchain/smart bulbs contribute to my decision to stay where I am for now.

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