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Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?

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Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?

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Yeah the bitching about recruiters is really boring. It's also silly and shortsighted seeing posts like this where the poster doesn't understand why we need to talk on the phone. Isn't it self evident? To make a job happen, it requires human contact at every step of the way. Sending out emails hoping people reply results in....... zero. Who is it that genuinely thinks that jobs are black and white? Who is it that thi…

> If you are bitching about recruiters then you are not the CTO or development manager who is paying them and working with them and wants them to succeed.

This implies that you only care about the experience of the people who are paying you. Which might be honest but if it's true, it shouldn't be a surprise that so many candidates have negative experiences with recruiters.

Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn’t work that way. Recruiters take your CV, remove identifiable information (to avoid company going directly after you), add 1-2 cover/intro pages and send it to the company. No ones gonna PRINT PDF your LinkedIn page and send it to a company as an application. Also from company’s point of view, even if you were an applicant with a printed LinkedIn page as CV, it would add more questions than give any you brow…

> It doesn’t work that way I've worked as a recruiter for 7 years, and I have sent LinkedIn print-outs to clients several times. A strong candidate's a strong candidate. > Recruiters take your CV, remove identifiable information (to avoid company going directly after you), add 1-2 cover/intro pages and send it to the company. Recruiters have terms in place with their clients that mean the client would have to pay eit…

In the UK with recruiters I worked with, anonymous candidates first, terms later.

(this is for cold outreach)

Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?

#153

Not to humblebrag, but Google recruiters like to email me about vague exciting projects that they don't describe, and of course I just don't reply to them, and this seems to make them really mad to the point they called me at work to complain about it.

The "job" is really a team of Google researchers, trying to understand why no one calls back recruiters.

By ignoring them, you become more and more interesting to them, and their study. Be wary. Soon they will stalk to IRL.

Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?

#155
I once met a really good recruiter.

He was polite, urbane, efficient, well-informed and helpful. He got me an interview with a well-known company, and I got the job.

Two years later I was ready to move again; so naturally I went back to the same recruiter. But he had been promoted, and was now the managing director of the recruitment company; he no longer handled clients personally. His client-handling staff were run-of-the-mill.

Never before or since have I dealt with a recruiter that didn't seem like an ignorant, slimy salesman.

[Edit: I'm British. I worked for a year in the USA; I got the job through a local recruitment agency in Richmond, VA, who were pleasant, hard-working and well-connected. My remarks were about my UK experience.]

Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?

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post #77

I don't mind tech recruiters as a class. I despise the rare ones who dangle a job they do not actually have in order to get my information in their database. These always seem to be the same ones who gaslight and neg: e.g. "We're looking for people who know what they're doing" and such. Not sure what they accomplish with that, but conversation is over. That's comparatively rare, though. Most are just decent people, m…

> However, I'm of a mind these days that full-time, salaried jobs are rarely the best option. Freelancing, bootstrapping, or founding are all usually better given today's market.

Interesting, why do you think that? What has changed?

Naively I would tend to think that the quality of freelancing opportunities and that of full-time jobs are correlated, but your comment imply that they're not. What am I missing?

Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?

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post #53

Calling me after finding me on LinkedIn, telling me they have one or more very interested companies, then after wasting as many minutes as they get asking me to give them a CV. Seriously: it is right there on LinkedIn and if someone is interested I tell them to forward the link to my profile. In fact that is my acid test now. If they insist on me sending anything more it is game over.

It doesn’t work that way. Recruiters take your CV, remove identifiable information (to avoid company going directly after you), add 1-2 cover/intro pages and send it to the company. No ones gonna PRINT PDF your LinkedIn page and send it to a company as an application. Also from company’s point of view, even if you were an applicant with a printed LinkedIn page as CV, it would add more questions than give any you brow…

I've had several recruiters take my LinkedIn profile as a basis, and send the company something based off that. All the best interviews in the last year were off my LinkedIn profile, and that's how I got my current role.

I'm grateful to those recruiters - that was really helpful. One of them told me they have a team who will sort that out if there's good information in the LinkedIn profile already.

It also helped with a mental block, because it is so hard to cut down decades of diverse experience into a couple of pages that somehow encapsulate it. A good recruiter knows what the company wants to see better than I do, and if something is genuinely part of my skills and experience that I wouldn't have thought to include, that's really helpful.

I don't know why but I found things pretty difficult mentally last year. Those recruiters who were able to hook me up with a company with less ritual proved to be catalytic.

If a cold-messaging recruiter asks me for a CV now, I apologise for not having an up to date one and tell them they are welcome to use my LinkedIn profile. If they continue needing a CV, the process stalls. I feel I should have something ready, but during times where I was seriously looking for a role, I ended up with my attention taken up with calls, interviews and offers from other companies before I got around to writing up a targeted CV, so ended up not writing one. Perhaps it's just luck but that's how it turned out the last couple of years.

Similarly, companies that took "as little as a month!" to interview were eclipsed by those who took less than a week to make a good offer worth considering.

Good recruiters have been catalytic in getting those offers quickly, as well as negotiating on my behalf (taking into account my input, not blindly). So I am grateful to the good ones. They are facilitators.

Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?

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post #77

I don't mind tech recruiters as a class. I despise the rare ones who dangle a job they do not actually have in order to get my information in their database. These always seem to be the same ones who gaslight and neg: e.g. "We're looking for people who know what they're doing" and such. Not sure what they accomplish with that, but conversation is over. That's comparatively rare, though. Most are just decent people, m…

> However, I'm of a mind these days that full-time, salaried jobs are rarely the best option. Freelancing, bootstrapping, or founding are all usually better given today's market.

Sounds interesting. Care to expand on that?

Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?

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post #154

As someone who hired using recruitment services one of my most memorable experiences was a quick Google highlighting a proposed candidate was wanted by Interpol for fraud :-)

I think and hope you dug further than just a name match, names aren't necessarily unique!

Re: Ask HN: What things that tech recruiters do, annoy you the most as an engineer?

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post #97

One of the most annoying thing is that recruiters think is okay to ask for my actual compensation on the first message but don't want to disclose the salary range in that same message.

The worst of those I've had was a message that asked "What is your current salary?", while saying nothing whatsoever about the role they have. Not even whether it was a tech role.

To add a cherry on top, they began with "I'm a headhunter and my client has asked me to contact you specifically..."

I engaged with that one, but only enough to confirm that the client hadn't asked for me, that nobody had read my profile, and the recruiter was not a headhunter.

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