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Ask HN: Why are there no open source 2d printers?

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Re: Ask HN: Why are there no open source 2d printers?

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Or washing machines, dishwashers, cars or even planes?

I'm afraid the answer is due to the fact that we live under a corporatocracy, and that this is the way things roll round here!

Good luck with anyone who is trying to get a open source version of whatever out there. Unfortunately, for one reason or another, I suspect it won't work out, but I have my fingers crossed for you!

Re: Ask HN: Why are there no open source 2d printers?

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Printers are cheap and widely available, which leaves a DIY printer which is going to be slower, more error-prone and more expensive as a very niche idea. There is a clear benefit to buying or building an open hobby 3D printer, whereas that's harder to argue for a 2D one - while there is a lot of crap around, there's enough workable choices, aftermarket inks/toner works, you likely won't be modifying/tuning a 2D prin…

> Printers are cheap and widely available

Then how about a printer that can print on a large wall? E.g. with spray paint.

Re: Ask HN: Why are there no open source 2d printers?

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Do you remember printing in 2000? Literally every printer was suffering from constant paper jams and other mechanical malfunctions. In 2020 a top consumer or business printer will not jam on you. The business printers in 2000 had slow processors and more ram. It was significantly bad that printing PDFs spent more time processing the file than putting toner on page. Finally, the interfacing for printers today is fanta…

Not at all. Things like the Laserjet 4 were workhorses . No planned obsolescence in sight.

I do still call them the Laserjet 41.3, though.

Re: Ask HN: Why are there no open source 2d printers?

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What kind of patents? I had tank of an HP laserjet 3 in the 90s, and patent life is 20 years. For the basic functionality, they should all be expired at this point, and the limiting factor at the time was the high cost of memory and compute. Shouldn't anything relevant have expired years ago? The first laserjet came out in 1984 it seems. Prices have come down, but I haven't seen any real innovation in printers (not t…

Do you remember printing in 2000? Literally every printer was suffering from constant paper jams and other mechanical malfunctions. In 2020 a top consumer or business printer will not jam on you. The business printers in 2000 had slow processors and more ram. It was significantly bad that printing PDFs spent more time processing the file than putting toner on page. Finally, the interfacing for printers today is fanta…

I still use a 1995-manufactured HP LaserJet 5P. It rarely jams. Works great with a USB->Parallel adapter. The cartridge in there right now is probably a decade old.

Re: Ask HN: Why are there no open source 2d printers?

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I have Samsung CLP-310 Color Laser Printer from 2008. It was the last one ever, which you can force-reset so it does count how many times a color cassette been used. I can refill those cassettes from half liter buckets from ebay for €10. It is just incredibly reliable. One and only problem is that only the XP-windows Samsung printer drivers work truly well. But I have 2008 laptop for that.

I'm way more interested in laser than inkjet.

I casually poked around to see if I could find some old HP LaserJets. Do some teardowns, get some part numbers, maybe transplant a Raspberry Pi for the brains.

Re: Ask HN: Why are there no open source 2d printers?

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post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you remember printing in 2000? Literally every printer was suffering from constant paper jams and other mechanical malfunctions. In 2020 a top consumer or business printer will not jam on you. The business printers in 2000 had slow processors and more ram. It was significantly bad that printing PDFs spent more time processing the file than putting toner on page. Finally, the interfacing for printers today is fanta…

> Do you remember printing in 2000? The impression I get from HN comments is users of monochrome business laser printers from 2000 are the only people who are happy with their printers :)

I'm running on the same business color laserjet from Dell (relabeled Brother MFC I think) from ~2013. It's never failed me. I feel like every consumer printer I've ever owned was a giant p.o.s. . I regret not going business level on printers much much earlier.

Re: Ask HN: Why are there no open source 2d printers?

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post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of patents? I had tank of an HP laserjet 3 in the 90s, and patent life is 20 years. For the basic functionality, they should all be expired at this point, and the limiting factor at the time was the high cost of memory and compute. Shouldn't anything relevant have expired years ago? The first laserjet came out in 1984 it seems. Prices have come down, but I haven't seen any real innovation in printers (not t…

Do you remember printing in 2000? Literally every printer was suffering from constant paper jams and other mechanical malfunctions. In 2020 a top consumer or business printer will not jam on you. The business printers in 2000 had slow processors and more ram. It was significantly bad that printing PDFs spent more time processing the file than putting toner on page. Finally, the interfacing for printers today is fanta…

> Do you remember printing in 2000?

Yes I do. No there were no "literally every printer was suffering".

1995-2000 was a perfectly fine era of B&W desktop laser printing (others can chime in about how it was before 1995). Go get some computer history education, or ask an adult in the room.

Re: Ask HN: Why are there no open source 2d printers?

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Printers are cheap and widely available, which leaves a DIY printer which is going to be slower, more error-prone and more expensive as a very niche idea. There is a clear benefit to buying or building an open hobby 3D printer, whereas that's harder to argue for a 2D one - while there is a lot of crap around, there's enough workable choices, aftermarket inks/toner works, you likely won't be modifying/tuning a 2D prin…

How about laser engraving tech? Can a laser engraver be tight focused to 300 dpi and power set (or sensed) to just make a mark on white paper? Does the positioning accuracy also need to be improved to get that 300 dpi? You'd never run out of toner at least. Edit, answered at least one question: yes engravers do 500 dpi routinely. Here's one: https://www.troteclaser.com/en-us/knowledge/tips-for-laser-u...

The issue is then speed, you can't engrave at anywhere near the same speed as you can print.

Re: Ask HN: Why are there no open source 2d printers?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you read HN comments it helps to preface them with “I feel like...”

Emphasis on "feeling", because there's seldom any thinking going on.

Or at least, you feel like there isn't
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