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Re: Ask HN: Have you ever gone without a computer or phone for an extended period?

#151
Well. I am working as software dev and do not use smartphones.

I am far away from my home so I can't go without having phone at all. I have not seen movies for six months as part of... you can call it a challenge.

I am sure the other side has benefits in this is "way of Luddite", but goodies I think you get is:

* You got to make your time to fool around.

When you have so many other things where just go and have fun being a passive observer, it is really really easy to do so. But, if you remove those options it is really a free time.

It is free in the meaning you have no idea what to do with it.

I spend that time reading, learning math, writing posts (just for my team mates, I am not good at it). That had been really helpful for me because I am a mess and get easily distracted.

I can really go back and do those things where I am passive part of, but I want to keep it like this : I want to make time for that. It is just not the default setting.

These things I put around me, to organize myself. Hope this helps.

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Re: Ask HN: Have you ever gone without a computer or phone for an extended period?

#152
Yes, I participated in a wilderness expedition in the early 2000s and didn't have access to internet, news, or modern amenities for about 100 days.

I lived more fully in the moment around me at times, and at others I receded into imagination and thought in almost a trance. The tangibility of reality became unavoidable for much of the day, and as a result of that when it was possible to recede and rest my mind, it was a deeper experience.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever gone without a computer or phone for an extended period?

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I remember being very bored a lot in the 90s. Waiting around in the laundromat, sitting in waiting rooms, riding the bus, doing house and yard work. Books and walkmans and gameboys existed, of course, but they were slightly too big to always carry them around in your pocket. I was a very early listener of audiobooks on digital media players, which was a godsend for alleviating that kind of boredom.

I used to read a lot more books. I'm not sure I read fewer total words these days but certainly fewer books.

I've had the opposite experience with my Kindle.

I recognize that it's "technology" so perhaps some people don't count it, but when I "unplug" (either at home or when away), I bring my Kindle.

And since I started reading on it, probably 6-7 years ago, I would say I read 4-5x as many books per year as I used to.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever gone without a computer or phone for an extended period?

#154
I had an EU sim card with 100G of data on a cycling trip from France to Greece, which was great for planning ahead every day, finding places to eat etc.. once I was out of the EU (Bosnia, Montenegro, Albania), data cost rose to about 1€/MB.. so I had to cross 3 countries on Airplane mode, which was arguably the part of the trip where I was the most “present”.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever gone without a computer or phone for an extended period?

#155
Not sure how you mean, does it count that I didn't have access to a computer at home until 1995? I didn't even get my own phone until 1998 or my own computer until 2002.

If this experience counts then I can say that I cannot remember being happier or less distracted back then.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever gone without a computer or phone for an extended period?

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My PC broke 6 months ago. It's forced me to stop gaming and focus on work (as that is all my laptop can handle.) I've seen an improvement in physical health and productivity, as well as a noticeable increase in "pleasure" from doing work. This shift has led me to believe that videogames, atleast for me, were a net negative. I will still hop on Steam to chat with friends, but I don't feel the addictive pull to play th…

My PC never broke, but for the first ~2 years of my undergrad (I'm about to start my final year) I didn't have time to play games at all because I completely overloaded myself with work. It might be some combination of burnout and depression, but I haven't had much of that addictive urge either, since. When I have a free evening on a weekend I might put a few hours into a story-based single player game - finishing it…

Yeah, I went through this too. Thought I would play a ton in college just like high school. It ended up being the opposite, I never played a game while I was at school, and after that I just didn't find it nearly as addicting, I don't know why.

I'll go on binges sometimes, but nothing consistent, and my steam history usually has 0 hours nowadays.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever gone without a computer or phone for an extended period?

#157

First of all, if you are over a certain age, the phrasing of this question might feel surreal. Because before a not-that-long-ago date, everyone did this all the time. That said, a few years ago I was forced to do this because I was on a beach in Mexico with no service. It took several days for the addiction to wear off, and I had been already ‘on vacation’ for about 2 weeks previous, just I was still plugged in. I h…

I had the same thought, the 90s. And what did I do in the 90s? I smoked cigarettes. All alone, at a bus stop, or waiting for a friend. It was torture just standing there as a teenager in the 90s. Had to start smoking. I'm not saying smartphones made me quit smoking but mp3 players did give me an excuse to put headphones on and at least do something while waiting for public transportation and the like. I did own a wal…

Books. Comics. And the Walkman would go into my backpack which would carry said books and comics.

I've heard many good excuses for smoking but "I needed to keep my hands busy and I wouldn't carry a backpack" is a new one. :)

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever gone without a computer or phone for an extended period?

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post #143

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I had the same thought, the 90s. And what did I do in the 90s? I smoked cigarettes. All alone, at a bus stop, or waiting for a friend. It was torture just standing there as a teenager in the 90s. Had to start smoking. I'm not saying smartphones made me quit smoking but mp3 players did give me an excuse to put headphones on and at least do something while waiting for public transportation and the like. I did own a wal…

There is definitely an element of people wanting something to do something with their hands. I wouldn't be so presumptuous to say that smartphone usage helped cut back on cigarette smoking but it wouldn't shock me if there were some effect.

Much more likely, constant smartphone use gives you a dopamine hit strong enough to push away cigarettes.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever gone without a computer or phone for an extended period?

#159
I was a (20% share) co-founder of a successful(ly bootstrapped) company in the telecomms space 14 years ago.

When the company was +-10 years old and quite successful a European investment firm came along and started discussions to acquire a share in the company.

I've been thinking of exiting at that point already (wanted to relocate my family to another country) so it was a very fortunate happenstance; I discussed it with my colleagues before and this was my chance, and I was taking it.

After a 9 month handover and training my replacement period I sold all my shares, took my family on holiday, and went completely off-grid for just over 8 weeks.

By off-grid I mean we went to a place with no internet, no phone, a single solar panel powering a few LED lights, a gas digester powering the stovetop, oven, and fridge, solar-heated water, and lots of open space and a sea breeze at night.

After 10 years of working at least from 8h00 to 19h00 weekdays and a few hours every weekend it was jarring. The first three weeks was a mental shock; it felt like my brain was almost "clogged" and not forming thoughts properly, almost like your ears feel when getting water in them.

Reaching for your phone only to have it do nothing stimulating because there is no signal was really difficult to get used to - but it highlighted how often I used gadgetry to pep my energy levels.

By the third week we did start getting into the rhythm a bit more: going to farmers to buy food very early morning, attending a nearby town's Saturday morning market for other bits and bobs, walking to the various neighbours to chat etc.

Our day was fairly full and structured, e.g. we'd have the kids gather wood early mornings, then walk to the beach (about 4km walk), spend some time there, come back, shower outside, prep food, do a late afternoon walk (mostly to a neighbouring farm or two), chat days away.

We had another burst of under-stimulation/restlessness around 6 weeks, and we started driving to a nearby library to get some books for a little more mental engagement. Around the 8th week we started craving "normal" living a little, missing the extended family, and more, so decided our time off the grid was done.

We hired a houseboat, spent a few nights on it, and then slowly drove a rambling 2000km back home over 6 days.

If you can find a place devoid of cell service and internet I can recommend it - and I still am very cognizant of how easy it is to use phones / laptops / etc to lose hours of your life every day.

I also think my addiction to technical stimulation was related to the constant stream of novel content - I felt less like reaching for a device after I internalized that it doesn't have something new that I can consume.

Using these devices mainly for creating rather than consuming is less problematic, and less addictive (for me at least) and I still try to focus on creating rather than consuming content when I use my digital devices. Fully aware of the irony of posting that sentence in a social site ;)

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever gone without a computer or phone for an extended period?

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> But now might be a good time to replace it. But be careful about that capacitor, because it might be holding a charge that can't go anywhere but your fingers.

Ideally, you drain the capacitor first with the same resistor you're about to install as a bleeder. Much less ideally, you can short a cap with a screwdriver or something, but the degree to which that's a bad idea scales at least linearly with the value of the cap. I did that once with a photoflash cap, while trying to troubleshoot a failed Nikon SB-R200 ring-mount flash head - expecting the failure to be in the cont…

I inherited a stereo amp from the 70s, and I'm pretty sure one of the capacitors has gone bad. I've managed to find a schematic and PCB layout for it (remember when service manuals were a thing?) but I've been too worried about discharging capacitors to poke at it.

For now, I just deal with a mains hum that's only audible when nothing is playing.

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