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Ask HN: What would you like to see in Ubuntu 11.10, Oneiric Ocelot?

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Re: Ask HN: What would you like to see in Ubuntu 11.10, Oneiric Ocelot?

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Post by jasoncwarner »

panacea wrote: post #46

It's called "Ubuntu Oneiric Ocelot"? Yet presumably you want to increase the install base? Do you not see a problem here?

There is a tradition in Ubuntu community that Mark Shuttleworth will nickname the upcoming release. Remember that Ubuntu releases come out every 6 months and the numbers are YEAR.MONTH of the release.

Ubuntu 10.04 was Lucid Lynx , released in April 2010 Ubuntu 10.10 was Maverick Meerkat , released in October 2010 Ubuntu 11.04 is Natty Narwhal, will be released April, 2011 Ubuntu 11.10 will be Oneiric Ocelot, will be released October, 2011

We tend to refer to the releases by number (the 10.10 release) or nickname (the Lucid release, the Natty release). Helps distinguish between various versions.

See Mark's blog post: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/646

Re: Ask HN: What would you like to see in Ubuntu 11.10, Oneiric Ocelot?

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Post by jasoncwarner »

mhansen wrote: post #18

Fix the 'Preferences'/'Administration' split in the gnome menu options. Most of the apps I find in there could be described as "Administrative Preferences", so I have no idea where to look for anything. Examples: Samba is in Administration, but Network Connections is in Preferences. Login screen is under Administration, and Startup Applications are under Preferences. The split between Administration and Preferences i…

Yes, configuration in general is an area we want to tackle in much greater depth. For the 11.04 release we are looking to integrate Gnome Control Panel into the power menu...we are testing during the alpha/beta period right now!

See this link from the OMG!Ubuntu! folks (who are generally very good at covering latest and greatest features of Ubuntu...even during the devel period).

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/ubuntu-natty-adds-control...

Re: Ask HN: What would you like to see in Ubuntu 11.10, Oneiric Ocelot?

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Post by jasoncwarner »

scrrr wrote: post #43

ok some quick thoughts, theres probably more but im not currently on ubuntu: Please fix small annoyances in the GUI: - make window movement and (more importantly) _resizing_ easier. - add some sort of window-snapping-feature (like win7 or osx) - fix colors in context menus (if i open the skype context menu in 10.10 i see black font on black bg, or brown whatever) - make widgets generally better looking. they are look…

Awesome list.

My personal #1 pet peeve for 10.10 was the resize problem.

There are some updates for that including a new gripper as well as increasing to 3px invisible border for resizing. Not to mention that Unity also sports some snap functionality.

This OMG! article was from two months ago, but you can get an idea for some of the resizing behavior. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/a-smattering-of-natty-upd...

The Skype menu is likely a bug w/ Skype detecting which system you are using. If you goto Skype->Options->General it might say 'Desktop settings' and that could get confused detecting what you are using. You can force it to use GTK+ and your issue should disappear.

I'll address the rest of the list in my general follow up to this thread around the EOD. Cheers!

Re: Ask HN: What would you like to see in Ubuntu 11.10, Oneiric Ocelot?

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Post by jasoncwarner »

bk wrote: post #133

I've been using Ubuntu practically exclusively for about 1.5 years (on 10.10 now). I mostly do web development/design and general productivity stuff. Obviously, most things work great or at least well enough, otherwise, I'd have switched to something else. Here's what I really want: # Top 3 Desktop - Place tracker (or whatever it is these days) search bar into the panel by default. Allow easy mapping to a key combina…

Wow! Thanks for writing this up.

I'll cherry pick for now and talk about more in a general follow-up later in the day.

I'm not 100% sure what you mean by 'place tracker', but if you check out some of the things coming in Unity, I think you'll like them. In Unity, Dash and Places are going to allow people to search, find and launch applications much easier.

An article from the OMG! folks w/ to give you an idea.... http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/quick-tip-enable-full-scr...

Re: Ask HN: What would you like to see in Ubuntu 11.10, Oneiric Ocelot?

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Post by jasoncwarner »

bluedanieru wrote: post #23

How about increasing the width at the edge of a window where it allows you to resize it to something other than a single pixel? That's one of my biggest usability gripes, at least for something that seems so obvious and easy to fix. It's possible it's already been fixed (I use Lucid), in which case disregard. But I would upgrade for that alone.

I commented above on this...

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2324771

Re: Ask HN: What would you like to see in Ubuntu 11.10, Oneiric Ocelot?

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Post by frou_dh »

recoiledsnake wrote: post #119
kolektiv wrote: post #15

At the risk of being horribly down-voted, I'm going to say that I'd like it to "not look like crap". Unfair with no information, so here's some (of opinion form). If I look at the screenshots for 10.10 (let's take a tiny example, I could pick on many - http://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/sshot23.... ), the general quality of finish on UI chrome and layout is shocking. The inconsistencies, poor spacing…

I agree... there's a jarring effect everytime I run Gnome. Especially due to the fonts and the excessive spacing(on things like buttons) around text.. feeling like a lot of screen space wasted without gaining anything in return. Maybe I am too used to the other OSes but font rendering always seem weird. Eg. See the screenshot here http://lh5.ggpht.com/mihaiolimpiu/SQh2WqXOQaI/AAAAAAAAASQ/mH... The fonts seem stretche…

That entire thing just looks woeful to me. The fonts, the soulless icons, the striking horizontal lines everywhere, the way the File Browser is swimming in empty space yet the icons and search field at the top of the screen are jammed in and scraping the edges.

"What on earth are you talking about? That looks fine" is a valid reply to my finickiness, and I'm a bit jealous of that, because being like this pretty much limits me to OS X and Apple's whims.

Re: Ask HN: What would you like to see in Ubuntu 11.10, Oneiric Ocelot?

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Post by lovskogen »

abraham wrote: post #52

The number one feature that keeps driving me back to OSX is the four finger swipe to activate expose. If Ubuntu had a similar feature I would probably be running it right now.

That's seriously the only thing stopping you from using Ubuntu? All the other differences doesn't matter, the four finger swipe is the make or break?

Re: Ask HN: What would you like to see in Ubuntu 11.10, Oneiric Ocelot?

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Post by mtogo »

jasonkester wrote: post #148
mtogo wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used ubuntu on servers before and it is quite painless. You've inflicted a fair ammount of pain on yourself by running a graphical interface on a server. As others have stated, spending 15 minutes learning about the linux commandline will save you a ton of time, effort, and pain.

The GUI was an attempt to alleviate the pain caused by years of having to poke at Linux boxes through a terminal. As far as I'm concerned, it's still orders of magnitude better than having to type out keyboard commands to navigate around the filesystem. It's just a shame that the tools to do it remotely aren't up to scratch.

I assume this is a joke...

Re: Ask HN: What would you like to see in Ubuntu 11.10, Oneiric Ocelot?

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

portmanteaufu wrote: post #66

I don't hear many people gripe about these issues, but I have two complaints: 1.) There is no way to mute / lower the volume from the login screen. This means that if I'm in a setting where I don't want to make noise (e.g. in a library, in a meeting, in a class) and boot up, there's absolutely no way for me to prevent my laptop from playing the wonderful startup .wav file. I have to log in before I get any sort of vo…

1) can't you switch to a term (Alt+F1) login and use something like alsamixer to mute and then log in. Obviously not great usability but may be a workaround?

2) KDE lets you choose to have apps always open on the same virtual desktop, or as you say you can switch to a desktop and set an app opening and switch back and it opens in the other desktop.

Re: Ask HN: What would you like to see in Ubuntu 11.10, Oneiric Ocelot?

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Kilimanjaro wrote: post #100

Trim the fat, like firefox did to mozilla, just the essentials. No openoffice, gimp, etc. Personally I just use it for coding and surfing. I know it is good for avg joe to have office and graphics tools, but then give us two versions, 'basic' and 'full' editions.

>Trim the fat, like firefox did to mozilla, just the essentials. No openoffice, gimp, etc

You can easily trim away apps you don't want though can't you. I've found that popcon-largest-unused was helpful when doing that.

If it's a slim initial install I gather you can install the basics, command line only, and then use apt (I prefer aptitude) to add in all the parts you actually want.

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