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Re: Ask HN: What did you learn the hard way?

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What is the context of this comment? I don't know who Jordan Peterson is or what he's done.

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He got fired? That's news to me. He's still on the U of T directory.

http://home.psych.utoronto.ca/staff/undergrad.htm

As for his views on SJWs, that's a small part of what he does. He's an evolutionary psychologist. He takes the long view of things, and discovered that some religions got some things right, and that's reflected in the stories we tell each other.

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My SO is a HR Manager. I hear the constant drama first hand over dinner. My take: HR are angels after hiring and during onboarding. After that, any correspondence will be kept to an absolute minimum.

Who benefits the most from the work your SO does... employees or the corporation? As others point out, they are to be avoided at all costs! And usually play a really bad gate-keeping role when it comes to IT hiring. It's a hard thing to learn early in your career.

Are you actually asking? If so, I think you misinterpreted my post. Please re-read, we agree. If HR has anything to do with any part of the technical interviewing process, the company is already misplacing their use. I won't touch HR with a ten foot pole unless absolutely necessary.

Re: Ask HN: What did you learn the hard way?

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Most of us will be extremely handsomely rewarded to carefully build something that will be torn down within a few years and replaced with something new. Usually because someone made a PowerPoint where a made up number was smaller than a different, slightly less, made up number.

Re: Ask HN: What did you learn the hard way?

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I learned the value of patience and moving slowly through many mistakes where I moved too quickly.

In the startup world, the default is to move as fast as you can, and it's often easy to mistake a maxim for product development as a maxim for life. The problem is that it's not good advice for many things in life. Examples:

1. Shopping. Especially big ticket items like cars and places to live. Urgency favors the seller because you don't do diligence well and you don't shop around for better deals when you're in a rush.

2. In a similar vein, negotiating. I got screwed on deals because I felt too much in a hurry to bring up issues I had. The important point here is that I could afford to wait, but I didn't want to, and that worked against me.

3. Job searching. Taking the time to line up offers will pay returns on your salary and happiness, even if in the moment you really just want the job search over with.

4. Managing people. I've had people who work for me ask "how am I doing", and in my urge to avoid the awkwardness of the conversation, I would answer some variation of "fine" even if in my mind I knew there were problems. The problem is that answers like those are very hard to take back once you give them (and especially hard to take back during performance reviews). So instead of trying to get rid of the problem fast, I eventually learned to step back and say "let me think about this, and let's talk about it tomorrow."

5. Relationships. If your goal is to find a life partner, you have a lot of diligence to do. Enjoy the honeymoon period, but don't mistake that for deeper compatibility. That comes from spending time together and requires getting through rough patches together as well.

6. Professional relationships too: on the one hand, you can't be passive in developing your professional relationships, but you can't rush them either. Respect is earned over time, so you have to play the long game.

When it comes to building products, then yeah, moving fast is an asset, but many things in life and career are marathons, not sprints, and you're just hurting your future self if you outrun your own pace.

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Management can be nice. As a dedicated coder, in depth, work hard and lean code better, going into management can give you the levers to bring others what you wanted to have and just be meta. But don't stop coding just do it meta. You can be a hacker and just manage people to do what's needed. Not all managers are assholes. Be prepared to talk more and understand more.

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> So, things went sour literally from day one. It turns out that he either fudged all of the sites on the billing software or they decided to just exodus on day one of me taking over. I don't really understand the issue. Didn't you buy a bunch of prepaid servers and server administration software for just 12k?

Nah, I already had all of the infrastructure and technology. I can't even remember the software I used for game hosting[1] , but they were the largest paid technology that provided this kind of thing at the time. I bought him with the intention of moving into "web hosting", since at that time my business was entirely focused ONLY on providing services such as "teamspeak", "battlefield 2" hosting, GMod, Call of Duty e…

Wow that's quite the story, are you still in the hosting business?

Re: Ask HN: What did you learn the hard way?

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I think this is a pretty accurate summary, as probably evidenced by the downvotes you are getting (and I no doubt will get). :)

If that's your takeaway of someone who has decades-long career and has hours upon hours of free lectures available (of which none I'm sure you've watched), then yeah, you're an idiot and you're part of the problem of overreacting to ideas that don't safely reside in your bubble.

Re: Ask HN: What did you learn the hard way?

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A few things: 1) People's words are like deep water. Pay careful attention to what people say--it's profoundly revealing (more than they realize). By listening, I've been able to identify people who intended to trouble me in some way. It's incredible, they just can't keep it inside even when pretending to be nice. 2) Actions speak louder than words (given #1, this is really saying something). Don't look for people to…

Could you expound on (1). I have been toyed around by my former Co founder who sweet talked me into believing him. I still think I suck at understanding human behaviour and nature. Are there any telling signs that help you?

I'm not sure direct advise such as what you find in books, articles or some courses actually helps all that much - not by itself. I think such advise targets the wrong parts of the brain, the ones for conscious thinking.

However, I think by far the most of "people understanding" happens in the not consciously accessible parts. So I think that the best way simply is... experience and time. What really helps is if you actually want to understand other people, if you are curious. If it's like "work", like studying for an exam, something you were told is necessary but deep inside you'd rather do something else, your (unconscious) brain won't cooperate.

There's a lot of circuitry taking input from the visual and also from the auditory areas of the brain that do a lot of subconscious processing, and they "train themselves". Book knowledge is of little help, it can aid indirectly at most. The good news is, pretty much every one of us already has quite high abilities in this area, the main problem may actually be that you suppress what your deeper brain is trying to tell you. You probably already have those magical people-understanding abilities in a pretty advanced form!

Deep inside I knew perfectly well I was being screwed over during my first trip to the US in one of those New York electronics stores - but I suppressed it and spent a huge amount (for a poor Ex-East German student) on electronics I didn't need and that were 500% overpriced :) Just make sure that your losses are small, like mine (I think I gained a lot more during that simple encounter than I lost), don't try to avoid it or fret over it when you make such kinds of mistakes due to not understanding other people (or suppressing it without realizing it). Imagine that you just paid tuition for the best university there is to understand other humans.

Another issue related to and responsible for suppressing those instincts is that actually acting on them often is more work (at the immediate point in time) than just going with the flow (and suffering later). Example in your case, but same with any relationship: You actually know it's over, and much later, in retrospect, you will know that you already knew, but actually taking the step and ending it right now is really hard. But here again no external advice to your conscious self can be of much help. Especially since only you have all the information about the specific information, so asking others who don't have all that context for advise seems to me to be a form of procrastination - you did something (ask others) so that feels good, but it should be you yourself who makes that decision since only you know what's going on and the people involved.

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