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Ask HN: Why aren't there middle class cars shaped like Ferraris?

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Re: Ask HN: Why aren't there middle class cars shaped like Ferraris?

#151
Why would you make a car that has less space inside while it takes same amount of outside space?

https://www.google.pl/search?q=ferrari+lusso&source=lnms&tbm...

The only reason would be, because some people would pay to have less space. There are not a lot of people like that.

Re: Ask HN: Why aren't there middle class cars shaped like Ferraris?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, the Fiero, aptly named given its tendency to explode upon impact from the rear. It's what killed one of my father's friend's wives back in the very early 90s.

That was the Ford Pinto. The Pontiac Fiero had a tendency of catching on fire, in the rear, because of engine failures. Specifically, the 1984 Models with the 2.5l 'Iron Duke' 4 cylinder engine. The connecting rods in the engine would fail, blow a hole in the engine block, leak oil onto the hot engine/exhaust components, and then catch on fire.

The Fiero had several issues but the biggest one was the poorly-protected passenger compartment. If the car got rear-ended, it would likely explode due to how hot the engine ran and there was no suitable firewall to protect the passengers. General Motors, being the jerks that they are, blamed every single fire, including ones that happened at GM proving grounds, on improper owner maintenance.

Re: Ask HN: Why aren't there middle class cars shaped like Ferraris?

#153

The premise of the quedtion is wrong--they do make these cars. See the Scion FRS. Also Subaru has a car that looks just like it, but I cannot remember the name. Also I would argue the Mazda Miata targets this style, and I have seen a Honda car that looks quite similar to the Miata as well.

I have seen a Honda car that looks quite similar to the Miata as well

That would be the S2000. It was a bit upmarket from the Miata and remained on the market longer (10 years) than anything else that tried to compete head to head with the Miata.

Re: Ask HN: Why aren't there middle class cars shaped like Ferraris?

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In the documentary Objectified (recommended!), a BMW designer brings up the point that a car design should express what the car is . If there's a mismatch between the look, and how it feels to drive, it will be rejected by customers.

The Fiero comes to mind.

It outsold the Corvette every year it was produced.

Re: Ask HN: Why aren't there middle class cars shaped like Ferraris?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Celica was not discontinued. I'm looking at a 2016 model right now, it's a clone of a Dodge Viper.

Have you ever seen a Dodge Viper?

You apparently haven't if you can't see that the newest body model (and there are 2016 Celicas on the dealer lots right down the street from me, $35,000) is a Viper without bubbly-ass wheel wells.

Re: Ask HN: Why aren't there middle class cars shaped like Ferraris?

#156
There's a number of reasons. Those cars are expensive to manufacture and making an affordable car that looks like that is extremely difficult. You'd have to cut costs elsewhere compared to a more "boring" looking car.

Additionally part of why those cars look cool is that they are very low to the ground and generally sacrifice visibility (especially rearward) for aesthetics and aerodynamics. People buying mid range cars want something more practical, even in a sports car.

The last thing I would point out is that modern affordable sports cars do have more complex body panels, lights, bigger wheels, etc compared to affordable sports cars of the past. Body construction techniques make their way from exotics down to affordable cars over time much like engine technology. But the exotics will always be ahead. That's one of the things you can do if you are targeting a $100k+ price point.

Re: Ask HN: Why aren't there middle class cars shaped like Ferraris?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was discontinued in 2006 and brought back later. The same thing happened with the Camaro.

It hasn't been brought back. The GT86/FR-S (AKA Subaru BRZ) is Toyota's current car in the same market segment. I see no reference to it ever having been sold under the Celica name.

FT-86 is the Celica.

Re: Ask HN: Why aren't there middle class cars shaped like Ferraris?

#158

Really good question! Costlier cars need to stand out from the ordinary. And to stand out designers come up with fancy curves, shapes etc. From a manufacturing point of view these 'non standard' items result in more cost which the mid-range cars cant afford. For example there is more wastage in cutting a curvy door from the sheet metal as compared to a standard rectangle shaped one. It is interesting to note that as…

This is a good point. A new WRX is probably more capable, and would probably compare favorably, to pretty high end cars from 15-20 years ago.

There are also cars like the Stingray Corvette, which have dramatic visual designs and are still attainable by middle class individuals who have done pretty well, if they want. If you debadge a red Corvette Grand Sport and take it to LA, people will very likely mistake it for a "lambo" or a Ferrari.

Re: Ask HN: Why aren't there middle class cars shaped like Ferraris?

#159
There's a kit car industry for that.[1]

The Ford Mustang was a middle-class sports car. Models are still in production. Lee Iaccoca pushed that product line forward. It was cheap to build and popular with young people. Any Chevy dealer can sell you a Corvette. Fiat-Chrysler makes the 124 Spyder, with list price under $25K.

None of them sell all that well. But they're all available.

[1] http://www.kitcarlist.com/ferrari-replica-kits.html

Re: Ask HN: Why aren't there middle class cars shaped like Ferraris?

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Additionally, outside of the complexity required to bend the alloy to shape a Ferrari - I would imagine a car that looks like a Ferrari, but behaves like a Civic would feel ridiculous, or out of place, from a cultural standpoint (much like driving an F1 car around your neighborhood). I think sports cars balance their aesthetics as a compliment to their function, whereas a Mazda dressed like a Lamborghini would almost…

>I would imagine a car that looks like a Ferrari, but behaves like a Civic would feel ridiculous or out of place You are correct...they do: https://www.google.com/search?q=pontiac+fiero&espv=2&source=... https://www.google.com/search?q=opel+gt&espv=2&source=lnms&t...

Economy and practical cars are getting more racy looks these days too though, because not everyone wants to drive a half-gallon-of-milk-tipped-over minivan just because they're practical.

The new Camary actually looks desirable IMO: http://toyotanews.pressroom.toyota.com/album_display.cfm?alb...

2018 Accord also looks nice http://www.accordrelease.com/2016/03/2018-honda-accord-full-...

The new Civic hatch looks like some kind of military vehicle http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-hatchback

So, at least they're trying to make the econoboxes somewhat sexy.

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