Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

news.ycombinator.com

151–160 of 392 posts

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

#151
Maybe everyone leaving should just agree to locate somewhere that isn't some major city.

We can all go there & start a new tech scene. How about Wyoming? Or Montana? Utah?

What I mean is we should go somewhere beautiful. Somewhere we can take walks outdoors in between coding sprints.

Why walks? It's been scientifically shown that walking helps you remember things better. Also sitting too long shortens your lifespan.

Just some thoughts.

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

#152
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is pretty garbage advice. There are a lot of tech companies especially just south of downtown Denver, and a reasonable start up scene in Boulder. I get 20-30% of the quantity of recruiter emails from Denver / Boulder / Ft Collins companies compared to what I used to get in the Bay Area. It's a lot less, to be sure, but still sustainable for a good career. Good meet ups too. There are pockets of stoners especiall…

He's kidding... You must not live in CO? It's the line out here. Anti-town building, too many people are moving here already because it's so great, so spread the word that it's buried in snow, full of potheads and hippies. These are not the towns your looking for. Move along, move along.

Us Denverites seem to be the only ones in this thread to have figured this out. Lived here for 5 years and I tow the party line, please don't move here.

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

#153

I've been living in Mountain View for several years, but we're moving back to Boston in a month. We can get a house 3x as large for 2/3 the cost and have a much better quality of life.

"and have a much better quality of life"

If you like snow.

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

#154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And how do you cope with the weather and lack of sun? One big draw for me about the Bay Area is the weather. I realized how important nice weather was for me to be happy, so I consider the sunshine tax a sunk cost for my mental and physical well-being.

I grew up in Cupertino and live in Seattle now. I used to live in an apartment with very little natural light, that was awful. Now I live in a condo with tons of light and feel better. Also fly down to Bay Area once a month for work. Seattle weather isn't that bad. During June through September it's the best in the country. Just gray in the winters, doesn't really rain much. Some other cons. Negligible start up scene…

Where are you going for Indian and Chinese food? There's Din Tai Fung / Facing East in Bellevue and some of my old haunts in the International District are passable. Not as familiar with the Indian food scene outside of some places in East Bellevue/Redmond but you should also try Edmonds/Lynwood for Korean food.

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

#155
post #31
post #7

We just moved to Seattle from SF. Highly recommended, but as you say more expensive than Portland (still 1/2 the price of the bay area). Cost follows opportunity, and it is harder to find a tech scene in Portland. NYC is a great place to live (have done so), and I would pick it over Seattle (at least for a year or two) if you don't have kids, are young, and can afford it. Chicago is great, less tech than NYC/Seattle,…

> it is harder to find a tech scene in Portland I feel like you might just not know where to look. We have a very thriving tech scene and it's growing very fast. 4,045 job opening as of now. http://portlandtech.org/ http://calagator.org/ is a great resource for meetups, talks, round-tables, sessions, etc.

I dunno, the tech scene is objectively much stronger up in Seattle. Doesn't mean we don't have one, but it definitely is harder to find than Seattle's.

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

#156

my vote goes to denver! affordable, laid back, socially liberal, safe, no huge social gap like in SF, very friendly people, great outdoors, growing tech startup ecosystem

You haven't figured it out yet but as a Denverite, you're supposed to tell people not to move here. It's so awesome here we don't like to share.

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

#157

Seattle's housing costs are definitely rising but Washington's lack of an income tax is a boon for software engineers. Also, many of the big players in tech will pay within 10-20% of their bay area total comp packages in Seattle, so your take home pay might be almost the same, but of course your dollar is going to go a lot further. I ran some numbers comparing Seattle, Denver, and Minneapolis, and found the descendin…

And how do you cope with the weather and lack of sun? One big draw for me about the Bay Area is the weather. I realized how important nice weather was for me to be happy, so I consider the sunshine tax a sunk cost for my mental and physical well-being.

I lived there for a year. I'm living about an hour and a half north of Phoenix, just below the Rim.

Sometimes, I miss those dreary storm-grey clouds of the Pacific NW. "Nice weather" is subjective, and it isn't necessarily "sunny". I have a friend who burns badly in any kind of sunlight -- Seattle is where she makes her home.

Flagstaff, AZ, oddly, is like a miniature Seattle, though the tech scene isn't as happening. My family and I are planning to move there this summer.

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

#158

I'm particularly biased as I went to school at GaTech but Atlanta has greatly improved over the last decade or so. It obviously has a completely different social, ethnic and economic diversity than SF does as well as being far far more cost effective. It also has real BBQ as well as being not that far from Miami (my favorite city but not good to live/work in). I would recommend Boston (where I currently live) except…

"Miami (my favorite city but not good to live/work in)"

How come you consider Miami not a good city to live/work in? I live here and I'm genuinely curious.

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

#159

Phoenix is often not included when discussing tech cities, and I think it's a shame. I've lived here my entire life and have seen the startup and tech scenes evolve and mature having started 2 companies here. Just in the past few years, the number of quality startups and investments have soared and I believe we're at the inflection point that will make Phoenix equitable to SV. We have a low cost of living, affordable…

Phoenix is often not included when discussing tech cities, and I think it's a shame I've spent time in Phoenix. It's the land of enormous roads and parking lots. It's almost impossible to get anywhere without a car. Traffic is horrendous all the time. There is barely a functioning downtown. The urban layout isn't conducive to the density necessary to really sustain light rail. Yes, I know about the line that goes fro…

I lived in Atlanta for 5 years, and live in Sedona, AZ for the past 2 years. I sometimes visit Phoenix.

Phoenix is not where I want to live. The tech scene is kinda anemic -- and granted, I'm used to Atlanta and Seattle.

Traffic isn't bad all the time, just the times when you want to go anywhere. Much of the city doesn't have good drainage, kinda poetic that the flow of traffic in Phoenix resembles the flooding that happens during monsoon season.

Like Atlanta, in Phoenix, you need a car. Unlike Atlanta, in Phoenix you also need A/C. It offends my sensibilities to see so much swimming pools and even an indoor ice rink in the middle of a desert. I don't generally like how the city is laid out, overbuilt, and I don't like the overall culture. (Though there are some really neat places here and there).

Re: Ask HN: Moving Out of Silicon Valley because of housing? Where to?

#160
post #8

Want to put in a quick plug for Sacramento. Great quality of life here, generally great weather (sometimes a little hot in summer, but sunny most of the year), affordable housing with rents between $500 and $1,000 (and affordable to buy a house - still good places available for under $300k), nice neighborhoods, great amenities, bars, restaurants, all that. Good access to awesome outdoors. And really easy to get to th…

Hey, I'm in the process of moving to Sacramento (mostly live here now), at least for a while, I think.

If you click my profile, you can email me and I hope you do. I wouldn't mind discussing the tech scene here, the city, etc, although I may end up working remotely.

Post reply on HN