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#141
Self employed since 2005.

I run 2 long-term consulting gigs (one of them is an Elixir project for the French government at https://transport.data.gouv.fr?locale=en, the other is in the healthcare sector).

I have also bootstrapped various products (and plan to do more in the future).

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#143

After working at various start-ups and Fortune 200 companies as a Product Manager, I am now working at my families niche consulting company. The twist is my wife is also helping run her family business and while the two companies bring in similar revenue every year, that's about all they have in common. It's been pretty eye opening seeing how my father and my FIL operate their respective businesses.

I’m curious to know. Eye opening in what respects?

Mostly in their management philosophy.

My dad typically believes in working smarter not harder and my FIL will do basically anything he can to save a dollar including doing most things himself.

What muddies the water a bit is their respective behavior might be a function of the businesses they run.

Our business is a software consulting practice with healthy margins and my FIL has a physical location with high fixed costs (owns a Tennis club).

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In Poland, where I'm from, it's pretty much the norm to be self-employed in Poland in the IT sector. I believe that around 50% of workers are technically contracted one-man companies, and this percentage is inversely correlated with the seniority level - the greater the earnings (and the sense of job security that goes along with expertise and experience), the greater the incentive. Going B2B makes a substantial diff…

That's for tax reasons only though, technically it is just another form of long term employment. As soon as you have multiple customers that you send invoices to with some regularity and you have autonomy would you pass the 'self employed' test in other countries. If you refer to them as your client and you only have one then you're technically an employee, if you refer to your contact at your client as 'your boss' t…

If you're not jumping around contracts regularly every 2 years in NL and are not billing the approximate annual wage for your role every year (assuming that you work the 40-44 weeks) then you're an employee and shouldn't be contracting.

The market now is interesting - there are a huge number of low experience / low skill people flooding the market which has driven prices down for some very good people whilst also making it hard for companies to actually find qualified people. It actually lead to me rejecting a project who really wanted me and I fancied (Government but with a chance to have a really big positive impact on society; I moved mountains with the last project and learned some valuable lessons, seemed a shame to let that dull... oh well).

I've been doing it for about 8 years now, I enjoy it and it has allowed me to both grow like crazy and do things I've always been capable of but wouldn't have attempted as an employee.

The other thing: funding in Europe for ventures is horrible compared to the US. I'll be looking to raise for a project this year and I'm dreading it (Healthcare, we're going to try the public route first because it would be better long term.. although it will leave money on the table it will increase the probability of success we believe).

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#145

I've been working on https://webhook.site since 2016 when I posted it here on HN. In fall 2023, I quit my job to work on it full time, and it's one of the best decisions I've ever made. I have around 1400 subscribers, which is enough to pay myself a good salary. I've not done any funding or marketing so far.

It's a great product. I have used to test things.

One feature that might not align perfectly with your service but definitely something I would use is Email to webhook forwarding and vice versa.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are self employed?

#146
I'm self-unemployed :D Helped a startup to exit a couple of years ago and had a small amount of equity. Been working on building a game since then. I don't think I'm going to make it to the finish line before I need to get another job, but maybe after that job I'll have the game finished and can build a more sustainable path from there.

Definitely envious of those with actually sustainable business models, though, heh.

(p.s. https://github.com/MeoMix/symbiants, come say hi in the Discord if you want to talk shop about Rust/Bevy/WASM/gamification of mental health)

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are self employed?

#147
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't see why a company couldn't have one long-term customer. It's not unusual eg. in the building sector (where large construction projects, not unlike software projects, can take years to complete). Another common example is MDs - quite a lot of private doctor's offices are contracted by the National Health Fund, basically providing their services for the public healthcare that way. Clearly having multiple custom…

> I can't see why a company couldn't have one long-term customer. Let's hope you won't find out why that's a very bad idea. > Clearly having multiple customers isn't a reasonable requirement for a small company. On the contrary, it's a must. > Software engineering isn't like private residential plumbing - "sink drain unclogged, next please!" :) That's a strawman. Sorry, but if you have just one customer and you're de…

sounds like you simply really don’t like freelancers. you know no one stops you from accumulating reserves in your company or in general, right?

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#148
I built https://team-today.com with a friend about 4 years ago and have been working on it full-time for the past 6 months.

I tried to get funding but never really got there and we've just managed to grind it out to a point where we have enough revenue to pay ourselves.

The flexible lifestyle is great, I play golf on Wednesdays and help out with childcare much more than I would have been able to with my previous jobs.

There is the looming threat that all our customers will leave us one day and I'll have to go back to a regular 9-5 job, but hey ho.

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are self employed?

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's for tax reasons only though, technically it is just another form of long term employment. As soon as you have multiple customers that you send invoices to with some regularity and you have autonomy would you pass the 'self employed' test in other countries. If you refer to them as your client and you only have one then you're technically an employee, if you refer to your contact at your client as 'your boss' t…

I can't see why a company couldn't have one long-term customer. It's not unusual eg. in the building sector (where large construction projects, not unlike software projects, can take years to complete). Another common example is MDs - quite a lot of private doctor's offices are contracted by the National Health Fund, basically providing their services for the public healthcare that way. Clearly having multiple custom…

This is definitely a source of friction with the tax service.

A couple of years ago, the Dutch tax service was trying to tackle the problem of fake self-employed people who were really just employees without the same rights, pensions, etc. The Dutch postal service PostNL was notorious for firing firing all their mail deliverers and hiring them back as self-employed people who still had to wear their uniform and work according to their schedule. And somehow the tax service approved that. But self-employed programmers who hop between big projects, negotiate their own pay (which tends to the high side) and have a lot of control over the projects they work on and the way they work on them, suddenly have to prove that they're really "zelfstandig", self-sufficient.

It's frustrating. I recently went back to regular employment and I hated it. Tons of extra rules, limited vacation days, and significantly lower pay. I guess I prefer being in control, saving for my own retirement, and going on vacation as often or as little as I like. Seriously, how many vacation days I had left used to give me stress. It's significantly healthier for me to be self-employed.

The way I see it: if a large company can have a single client and just rent out all their employees to that single company, why can't a small one-man company do the same?

And I think I'm a lot more self-sufficient than that company; if my contract ends, I can easily get a new contract elsewhere for myself. But if their contract ends, they need to find new work for all of their employees at once, and they'll likely fire some or all of them, making the whole job security argument moot. Their risk is higher than mine, and their security isn't. I really think having lots of self-employed contractors like me is better for the industry than the overhead of having to organise into companies.

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