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Re: Ask HN: Can you recommend an “instant-switch” Monitor? Does one exist?

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post #97

Maybe solving your problem in other ways: 0: I use `ddcutil` (on Linux), it takes about 2 seconds for the switch: `ddcutil -b $bus setvcp 0x60 $source` 1: Use something like NoMachine or VLC - would probably cause more problems if you've got devices that go into power-save mode 2: Ensuring that your devices are outputting the exact same mode may decrease the time.

Would you mind sharing what monitor you have? Mine "supports" DDC, but switching inputs from CLI doesn't work.

Re: Ask HN: Can you recommend an “instant-switch” Monitor? Does one exist?

#142
post #45

HDMI Switching like that takes long because there is a EDID negotiation going on between the minitor and the input devices. If you want to switch fast and often your best bet is getting an HDMI switcher that is basically always connected to the monitor and both sources and then toggles between the two. Beware of the supported resolutions and framerates. A cheap hack would also be to connect your second source to the…

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Re: Ask HN: Can you recommend an “instant-switch” Monitor? Does one exist?

#143
post #54

Tangentially related: I find many monitors that look great on paper are a real annoyance when it comes to controls, be it brightness/contrast or input switching, making those 4s irrelevant in comparison. Between recent models of Acer/Dell/Eizo/LG, I found Eizos to pose the least friction so far, with the LG (may be model-specific) a surprising worst. Reply to this comment with your anecdotes! EDIT: To address the OP:…

My Samsung monitor has a 4-way joystick control for navigating the menu. It's the worst physical monitor menu UX I've used. It's also on the back of the monitor, which makes it a pain to reach. When I bought it, I only had one input, so it didn't bother me.

Now that I have two inputs, and I switch a few times a day, I'm considering getting a new monitor, in some part to move to one with better input controls.

Re: Ask HN: Can you recommend an “instant-switch” Monitor? Does one exist?

#144
post #53

OK, remember when modems were like EEEEEEEkRrRrRrRrRrRrRbaBONGbaBONG.... That was handshaking, and it was how modems figured out which speeds and protocols each other supported so they could figure out how fast to transfer data and how to encode it. Monitors are kind of the same. There's handshaking that goes on each time you connect a monitor to a video source. Like (and I'm totally making this up): - Hi, I'm an AMD…

Although this is justification to why it’s terrible I don’t consider it an excuse of why it is terrible.

The amount of actual information transmitted there the handshake should be as close to what we perceive instant.

We know the cable can handle it because a modern desktop resolution at 60fps goes down the same cable.

Re: Ask HN: Can you recommend an “instant-switch” Monitor? Does one exist?

#145
post #53

OK, remember when modems were like EEEEEEEkRrRrRrRrRrRrRbaBONGbaBONG.... That was handshaking, and it was how modems figured out which speeds and protocols each other supported so they could figure out how fast to transfer data and how to encode it. Monitors are kind of the same. There's handshaking that goes on each time you connect a monitor to a video source. Like (and I'm totally making this up): - Hi, I'm an AMD…

but why does this need to happen every time, when the connected devices are basically static?

Re: Ask HN: Can you recommend an “instant-switch” Monitor? Does one exist?

#146

I appreciate this question, I would also appreciate a solution, and the explanation of why it happens is interesting. However, what I really want is just to be able to switch the input via command line. I know that there is a protocol that supposedly allows this (ddc?), But it seems that support for it is not standardized. This means the feature I want can't be found in the product specs. So my question: what's a mon…

In 5 years of getting support emails for Lunar (https://lunar.fyi/), LG monitors were the least mentioned of all. They seem to have the best DDC compatibility of all monitors.

I also keep a public monitor database here where you can check if a specific monitor usually works with DDC or not: https://db.lunar.fyi/

The problem with LG is that they report very generic names so they can't be filtered well in the database. You can see what I mean with this query:

    SELECT DISTINCT ON ("DisplayProductID")
        name, ddc,
        "resolutionString",
        "refreshString",
        "dotsPerInch",
        "isHiDPI",
        "isRetina",
        "DisplayProductID"
    FROM
        displays
    WHERE
        ddc AND "is4K" AND width IS NOT NULL
        AND NOT "kCGDisplayIsVirtualDevice" AND NOT "isAirPlayDisplay"  AND NOT "isTV"
        AND "DisplayProductID" != 0 AND name NOT LIKE 'Unknown Display%' -- Filter out those in a semi-connected state
        AND name LIKE 'LG%' AND "DisplayProductName" LIKE 'LG%'
    ORDER BY
        "DisplayProductID" DESC
    LIMIT 10;
Also keep in mind that the GPU used and the hub/dock/adapter can affect this, so aim for as few indirections as possible. A direct connection is almost always the best.

Re: Ask HN: Can you recommend an “instant-switch” Monitor? Does one exist?

#147
100% convinced we wouldn’t live in a world with trash like this if just a few more people would say “it’s very slow, can you make it faster? No I don’t care what the excuse for it being slow is I still think it can be faster, currently it feels cheap and awful”

Weird how you say that then the thing that was “that’s just the way it is” is often completely solved in the next day or two.

Re: Ask HN: Can you recommend an “instant-switch” Monitor? Does one exist?

#148

100% convinced we wouldn’t live in a world with trash like this if just a few more people would say “it’s very slow, can you make it faster? No I don’t care what the excuse for it being slow is I still think it can be faster, currently it feels cheap and awful” Weird how you say that then the thing that was “that’s just the way it is” is often completely solved in the next day or two.

Having been on both sides of that very dynamic, I'm inclined to agree.

Re: Ask HN: Can you recommend an “instant-switch” Monitor? Does one exist?

#149
post #94
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What model do you use that gave you 2 seconds switching time? One of the mentioned Rextron or something else?

My "NEWCARE HDMI 2.0b Switch 3 in 1 Out" switcher is that fast.

Can I inquire how you switch inputs (mouse, keyboard) along with the hdmi?

Re: Ask HN: Can you recommend an “instant-switch” Monitor? Does one exist?

#150
post #146

I appreciate this question, I would also appreciate a solution, and the explanation of why it happens is interesting. However, what I really want is just to be able to switch the input via command line. I know that there is a protocol that supposedly allows this (ddc?), But it seems that support for it is not standardized. This means the feature I want can't be found in the product specs. So my question: what's a mon…

In 5 years of getting support emails for Lunar ( https://lunar.fyi/ ), LG monitors were the least mentioned of all. They seem to have the best DDC compatibility of all monitors. I also keep a public monitor database here where you can check if a specific monitor usually works with DDC or not: https://db.lunar.fyi/ The problem with LG is that they report very generic names so they can't be filtered well in the databas…

Excellent, thank you!
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