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Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by throwaway908365 »

kybernetyk wrote: post #85
throwaway908365 wrote: post #71

Have not been laid off and I am not living in the bay area, but in Germany. Still wanted to offer some perspective. ~15 years fullstack and DevOps experience, visited top local university, no degree. Mostly Python + some other languages. Have been interviewing for Lead SE/DevOps/SRE roles as well as some architecture positions. My findings about the German job market for developers: - Remote-work is here to stay. Alm…

Is this 100k gross or net pay?

It is gross, but very hard to compare, because it does not include your employer having to pay halfes on social securities. Actual gross would be something like 120k, but with obligatory expenses, you cannot opt out of.

Net would be something like 55k if you are single, but you already paid into a mandatory retirement plan and you, your kids (and laughably also your partner) are health insured.

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Post by f1shy »

kybernetyk wrote: post #85
throwaway908365 wrote: post #71

Have not been laid off and I am not living in the bay area, but in Germany. Still wanted to offer some perspective. ~15 years fullstack and DevOps experience, visited top local university, no degree. Mostly Python + some other languages. Have been interviewing for Lead SE/DevOps/SRE roles as well as some architecture positions. My findings about the German job market for developers: - Remote-work is here to stay. Alm…

Is this 100k gross or net pay?

Gross... and about the 1/2 goes away. Like 45%. Also depending on where you come from, you can be shock by the 19% VAT on almost everything. While food is cheap, some other things are more expensive (tech stuff).

The gov. has good health service, and also education. But the education system has some interesting limitations, that may surprise you.

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by nemo44x »

throwaway908365 wrote: post #71

Have not been laid off and I am not living in the bay area, but in Germany. Still wanted to offer some perspective. ~15 years fullstack and DevOps experience, visited top local university, no degree. Mostly Python + some other languages. Have been interviewing for Lead SE/DevOps/SRE roles as well as some architecture positions. My findings about the German job market for developers: - Remote-work is here to stay. Alm…

You’re being ripped off. I’m paying guys in various parts of Europe well more than this with probably less experience. European software developers are grossly underpaid across the board but 100k is very low.

I’m paying around 120-130k in Amsterdam which has a similar CoL to Berlin.

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by jagermo »

mrcartmeneses wrote: post #120
throwaway908365 wrote: post #71

Have not been laid off and I am not living in the bay area, but in Germany. Still wanted to offer some perspective. ~15 years fullstack and DevOps experience, visited top local university, no degree. Mostly Python + some other languages. Have been interviewing for Lead SE/DevOps/SRE roles as well as some architecture positions. My findings about the German job market for developers: - Remote-work is here to stay. Alm…

Do you have any advice for freelancing in Germany? I’ll be moving to Berlin in January, aber ich spreche nur Englisch und ich lerne Deutsch. Ich habe die EU-Staatsbürgerschaft und meine Frau kommt aus Berlin. I am a senior front end dev who has experience leading teams

former freelancer here (writing, not coding), but I would not do it again, the stress around taxes, insurance etc alone is not worth it (at least for me). Plus, you probably won't be leading teams but be more of a workbench.

However, if you don't want to be tied down, something like "Elternzeitvertretung" (aka jumping in for people on paternity/maternity leave) might be interesting for you.

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by 1-6 »

matwood wrote: post #32

Layoffs make news, but if you look at the numbers they are relatively small compared to all the hiring the last few years. We have gone from the best time ever in history to be in IT, to a great time to be in IT. There are a lot of jobs if you step outside big tech (and targeted jobs in big tech with certain skills).

Depending on how you view things, layoffs are only starting. Companies are taking a wait and see approach before taking everything off the table. Some are predicting 2023Q1 to be when it peaks.

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by throwaway908365 »

fxtentacle wrote: post #118
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are talking about someone with 15 years experience though. 100k @ 15 years is too low when new grads now start at 60k. So you hire someone who has 14 years of extra experience and brings a lot more value to the company and only pay them 40k extra? That's why I'm saying it feels like an insult.

15 years of experience might also mean they are excellent at PHP+jQuery but have never heard of Rails+React ;)

> 15 years of experience might also mean they are excellent at PHP+jQuery but have never heard of Rails+React ;)

Not in this case. It is 15 years of proper software engineering and devops experience, for times in leading positions with additional responsibilities.

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by buro9 »

olah_1 wrote: post #134
bitL wrote: post #128

I know a guy that left one FAANG recently which was laying off people, interviewed at two other FAANGs, got offers for senior remote roles for over $600k, accepted both and is now working two jobs at the same time. Given he was doing the previous FAANG together with a tough grad school, I think he'll be fine.

Is that legal? In the interview, you basically have to lie about your employment situation, right?

If we assume they started both on the same date, then they wouldn't have had to lie or mislead prior to that point.

Then the question is only whether it's legal (contractually) to be employed by more than one employer at a time. But to that... would it be legal for a company to own every waking hour rather than just your employed hours?

I've not seen anything that says someone has to be exclusively hired, but they would need to be able to fully do their job for their employed time and surely that's all that matters.

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by bluGill »

hawski wrote: post #87
nicolas_t wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't that be better? They'd get a severance pay?

Most certainly not, because they would not work long enough.

since amazon has a policy to layoff the bottom 6% every year (numbers may be off), any good manager will be constantly looking for someone to hire into the bottom 6% role so they can keep their good people. Since they are not actually looking for someone who can do a good job they don't care if they treat you well.

Re: Ask HN: How is the job search coming along for people who got laid off?

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Post by swyx »

a-bit-of-code wrote: post #10
ryandetzel wrote: post #3

Laid off from Twitter three weeks ago, lots of interest and cool companies out there. I binged interviews and have three offers to consider. Senior eng with 20 years experience

For that kind of seniority/experience, what fraction of companies asked LeetCodey stuff? Was it easy or medium/hard problems? How much time did you have to spend preparing/practicing?

just chiming in for others that i've had a job specifically waive a coding test because they saw me livecode in front of 2000 people and my fave amazon interview story was a guy that walked in with his laptop open to my blog saying "this is just a formality i've read your work" lol

TLDR why leetcode in private when you can work in public*

(*yes yes, not everyone can work in public, but i bet a fair amount of you can but havent given it a real shot)

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