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Ask HN: Bluetooth kinda sucks. Why don't we have something better?

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Re: Ask HN: Bluetooth kinda sucks. Why don't we have something better?

#141
IIRC the purpose of Bluetooth was to be a patented hardware approach to something, with the intention of it becoming a widespread standard of some kind.

Most importantly, an extremely detailed and ambiguous foundation was established so that copyrighted implementations which would far outlast patents would continue to provide an income stream once the patent expired and the hardware was in the public domain.

Just so happened to be an approach to short-range PC radio communication.

Re: Ask HN: Bluetooth kinda sucks. Why don't we have something better?

#142
Even after the pairing hassle, every time I play music on my Apple AirPod Pros (that cost over 200€, btw (!!)) the first second or so of songs consistently sound like garbage. Evidently whatever transport they are using can't handle sudden changes in bitrate, and they have to use a lower quality for that bit. Absolutely crazy to imagine that this passed QA at Apple!

Re: Ask HN: Bluetooth kinda sucks. Why don't we have something better?

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I'd been using BT for the past decade as a wireless receiver for audio or mouse/KB. It's only very recently that I discovered that you could use it to transmit files from Device A to Device B. No middleman app or cloud sync service needed! Considering how awful USB file sync is between Mac OS and Android, I don't even break out the cable to transfer files anymore. The downside is that transmission speeds are very slo…

You can use wi-fi direct for that now with decent speeds. The only issue is it is so hard to discover! On Android you find a file and then Share -> Nearby. The recipient might need to fiddle in settings to enable it.

This is not supported Mac OS unfortunately. I did some digging, and it was previously only possible with an AirPort hardware device as a middleman.

Re: Ask HN: Bluetooth kinda sucks. Why don't we have something better?

#145

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> its true for the defaults of a lot of Linux Not anymore. New distributions have moved to pipewire audio, so since about this year you can open qjackctl, Carla or any of the audio routing apps and drag and drop audio from a chosen app to any number of outputs. (not sure if you'd count not built into the traybar mixer panel as default or not)

Not all distributions have made the change for the defaults to pipewire. Ubuntu 22.10 (the latest LTS release of Ubuntu) still uses ALSA as the default, as just a quick example. It can still be changed easily enough. And yeah, there are apps like qjackctl and Carla and others which do let you do this kind of mixing. But yeah, I'm talking about the basic sound settings that most users are going to instinctually mess w…

You're looking at the wrong layer. Pipewire replaces pulseaudio, not alsa. And it's included in 22.10 by default.

I expect that soon the extra features are going to hit the default mixers too - we just need a bit of time for that.

Re: Ask HN: Bluetooth kinda sucks. Why don't we have something better?

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If you are shorter than 3 feet you can just wrap the cable around the device or shove it in the pocket with the device. If you are longer than 3 feet on the torso you are quite a human specimen anyway and are probably buying a lot of custom things for living your life.

Or... you could just get a wireless device and not deal with wrapping and shoving cables every time you want to listen to something. I put airpods in my ear and the music starts playing. It's just a much better experience than wired headphones were. No reaching through my shirt. No getting the cable caught anyway. No pulling my device around when I get up but forget to unplug.

But then I'd have to deal with bluetooth hardware costs, the charging of the devices, buying replacement batteries down the road, and the weight on my conscious from all the ewaste that introduces for that convenience of not having to deal with shoving a small bit of cord into my pocket

Re: Ask HN: Bluetooth kinda sucks. Why don't we have something better?

#147
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Honestly the 3.5mm jack is better technology. - connecting does nothing confusing, just changes default output speaker for most software - pairing multiple devices just needs a splitter then it works the same as pairing one device in terms of ux - can connect multiple headsets to one device - can connect multiple devices to one headset - can purchase replacement 3.5mm cables cheaply at any convenience store around th…

I can stay seated on the couch and connect my phone to my stereo. It turns on the receiver and changes the input to Bluetooth upon connection. From there I can then play anything and control the volume on the stereo from my phone. All without needing to even get up from the couch, or potentially even needing to go into the room with the receiver. The receiver has good Bluetooth range. I can change the output to the s…

I guess that depends on how smooth your blutooth interfacing is. For bluetooth speaker's I've had , pairing means holding a button on the physical speaker and waiting for the phone to show up because for reasons the old connection listed on my iphone no longer works. This happens with my mac and a blutooth mouse too. sometimes I can't connect to it right away, I need to go through the discovery and pairing process again. the system in the car is junk too. It connects and starts playback automatically, but you have to manually press play on the car's stereo head unit to start getting sound from the device versus just the title and time info on the car's headunit screen.

I'm glad this system works for you but for most things I've had the pleasure of using blutooth with, it's been awkward and clunky and slow compared to just grabbing a plug and shoving it into a hole and getting sound immediately, so I prefer the tried and true cable methods whenever possible. Nice that they are so much cheaper too. You'd probably get better sound for your money buying a vintage stereo than a modern one with bt shoehorned in.

Re: Ask HN: Bluetooth kinda sucks. Why don't we have something better?

#148

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> I even have an extra long network cable I can throw across the living room for the laptop This seems unnecessary unless you have high latency requirements, like for FPS or fighter gaming, but even then WiFi (and network coding for these games) has gotten so good that lag is barely noticeable anyway. I say this as someone who has my desk hardwired with an unmanaged switch because it seems silly to not take the time…

> if I go downstairs with my work laptop then I'm going going to drape an ethernet cable across my living room just so my connection is 1 Gbps still instead of 400+ Mbps Are you missing the word "not" in there somewhere? Or being really obtuse? Your comment makes little sense as is. Initially you encourage hard wired unmoving appliances, but then also get behind draping a cable across a room to make sure movable appl…

Nah, you're right. I missed a "not" and added an extra "going".

Re: Ask HN: Bluetooth kinda sucks. Why don't we have something better?

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> I even have an extra long network cable I can throw across the living room for the laptop This seems unnecessary unless you have high latency requirements, like for FPS or fighter gaming, but even then WiFi (and network coding for these games) has gotten so good that lag is barely noticeable anyway. I say this as someone who has my desk hardwired with an unmanaged switch because it seems silly to not take the time…

To be a bit pedantic, lag and throughput aren't the main bugbears for wireless anymore, it's stability. If you live or work in a reasonably populated area, there is often enough Wi-Fi pollution around to make things like gaming or video calls painful. Sure, you'll get around 20 ms to the AP most of the time, the problem is it will occasionally spike to 200 or 2000 for a moment and there's very little you can do about…

I live in a city. Opening my wifi menu on my MBP, I see dozens of networks. I've never really experienced any spikes like you mentioned every with gaming or video calls.

Re: Ask HN: Bluetooth kinda sucks. Why don't we have something better?

#150

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To be a bit pedantic, lag and throughput aren't the main bugbears for wireless anymore, it's stability. If you live or work in a reasonably populated area, there is often enough Wi-Fi pollution around to make things like gaming or video calls painful. Sure, you'll get around 20 ms to the AP most of the time, the problem is it will occasionally spike to 200 or 2000 for a moment and there's very little you can do about…

> Sure, you'll get around 20 ms to the AP most of the time If you're getting 20ms to your AP you're in a pretty poor environment or you need to upgrade away from 802.11b. While on a video call on my laptop just now, while my home theater receiver is streaming internet radio over WiFi, while I've got a dozen other devices active on my WiFi, my average latency to my router is ~1ms. Running a speed test on my phone push…

Thank you. My ping to my router from everywhere in my house on WiFi (even my roof, 3 story row house with an AP on each floor) is 5 ms. So stupid to run wire across a living room when you could just have decent networking equipment.
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