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Ask HN: What tech companies/industries will do well in a recession?

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Speaking of a recession, I hope the recession isn't another massive redistribution of wealth into the hands of an older generation. Housing has continued shooting up, as those in the 30s find themselves with fewer assets to buy it with. The low interest rates amortize the costs allowing affordability, but the older generation still gets a massive payout. Then when the economy start recovering back up, the older gener…

> The low interest rates amortize the costs allowing affordability Negative real interest rates devalues income from work and up-values ownership of assets. Inflation is not in the interest of workers. > housing prices and interest rates will back down to normal sometime soon. Mortgage rates needs to rise until the real interest rate is positive - ie interest rate is greater or equal than housing appreciation.

Oh yes, I misspoke.

> back down to normal

I agree. By down, I meant going back to being 2-3% higher than inflation and not being literally 'free money' by being behind inflation.

> Inflation is not in the interest of workers.

Agreed. I think my next sentence clarified that, but yes. In isolation, it does look like I am supporting inflation. My bad.

Re: Ask HN: What tech companies/industries will do well in a recession?

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Related question: which tech products are 'inferior goods' - goods whose demand rises when incomes fall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferior_good

Non-car modes of powered transit - small petro scooters, e-bikes, etc. People always need to get around in a non sweaty way but a car is both a lead weight financially and a potential windfall when car prices are artificially high.

I don't see these being true unless you live in an area where getting around on a bike is actually realistic. Basically not USA, even the metro areas, except for maybe a handful.

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Don't invest for the winners in the recession. Invest near the depths of the recession for the winners of the recovery where everything looks like its on a firesale. The problem is of course timing the bottom. And resisting the emotional urge to think nothing could ever recover. The 2020 extraordinarily V-shaped recovery surprised me a lot. Given that nothing financial is really popping that hard and a lot of the hea…

I took the question differently, but I may be wrong. I took the question as which tech industries will do well in the coming recession so as to work for them and have solid dependable employment during the recession, not how to invest to take advantage of it. I suppose I took it that way because that's my place in the world (a worker not an investor).

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I suppose we could also frame the question as which tech companies and industries will NOT do well during the recession. I think that streaming services will not do well. People will return to torrenting and piracy. Same with crypto trading platforms. Basically any place where Joe Average can't afford to spend more than he has on hand. Tesla will see a big drop too, as people will cash out to buy their groceries. As…

I would disagree - when average Joe loses his job due to a recession they are going to need some form of entertainment to fill their now wide-open schedule. People here might find torrenting and piracy pretty trivial but the average Joe is going to find it a much bigger hurdle than simply logging into Netflix and pressing go.

I agree with you. The rational HNer thinks of course streaming services should be the first to go when money gets tight. But people don't behave rationally.

The cord-cutting trend didn't really kick off during the depths of the Great Recession, but in the years after when better online alternatives came around.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would disagree - when average Joe loses his job due to a recession they are going to need some form of entertainment to fill their now wide-open schedule. People here might find torrenting and piracy pretty trivial but the average Joe is going to find it a much bigger hurdle than simply logging into Netflix and pressing go.

But how does average Joe pay for the account, if the prices for groceries, electricity, heating and transportation explode? If things go really south, average joe will be happy if he can afford food and heat his rented flat at least a little bit in winter.

He'll finance it with credit card debt.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But how does average Joe pay for the account, if the prices for groceries, electricity, heating and transportation explode? If things go really south, average joe will be happy if he can afford food and heat his rented flat at least a little bit in winter.

He probably will keep paying for a single service he really likes and share it with a bunch of people/family and split the costs. But yeah of course if it is between beans and rice and Netflix the person is gonna choose food. But that would be extreme poverty

I think this assumes they can't get food through other programs (unemployment, snap, food bank, etc). They could have their food and Netflix too.

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Someone from Wells Fargo was on CNBC earlier this week. I liked his viewpoint: They're bullish on a subset of tech that's specifically focussed on efficiency and process automation. I think the same category would do well in a recession. If money is tight, you'll trim down your workforce and you'll cut out "nice to have" goods and services from your budget, but you probably won't cut services/tools that help you get…

business schools have a name for this ... high beta or something like that .. it literally is the sector of business that does well with massive unemployment and similar.. shopping clubs with lower prices for members are one example.

Beta is just variablity compared to market variability. High beta means the stock move more than the market as a whole. Low beta means it moves less than the market as whole. Investipedia probably has a better definition.

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Companies that cater mostly to luxury clients Anything energy related. Geography also plays an important role. Places like the valley saw very little impact while the place I was living at in the South basically had it's software ecosystem gutted. It did bounce back within a year though, so just make sure you have enough funds to ride a recession out in the worst case.

Don't utilities tend to do well (energy related)?
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