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if you want to experience lack of self awareness, go talk to some lawyers charging $800/hr
If the client is a Corporation that might be totally appropriate. If that lawyer then goes on to say how expensive his Latte has gotten then you might have an argument.
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No, it won't "go fine". You'll be lying to both of your employers. That's not "fine" and it can't possibly end well for anyone.
How do you know anyone lied? If you have two fully remote jobs, and the workload for each one is ~20-25 hours a week, and the times don't overlap... I was trying to get you to actually provide reasoning, or evidence, or even "I acknowledge it's my opinion but I feel this way because __________" but here we are with more "I'm right, you're wrong, you're dumb if you disagree." Please try again because this is a point I…
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No, it won't "go fine". You'll be lying to both of your employers. That's not "fine" and it can't possibly end well for anyone.
My F500 gig specifically allows outside work as long as its not for a competitor...Why would you assume everyone is lying? Wouldn't it make more sense that some of us just have different (full time) employment contracts ?
But we were speaking of full-time employment in the usual sense. Including the usual sense of "full-time".
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To add an opposing anecdote, after 30 years in the biz I've never seen this. Not once.
Legal or not, if you tell your manager that you are also working for another company half the time (unless you work odd hours), will they be OK? If so then good. If not then it's a matter of transparency and trust. Also doesn't the contract has something about the number of hours? It may not be enforceable, but it's on paper.
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To add an opposing anecdote, after 30 years in the biz I've never seen this. Not once.
Legal or not, if you tell your manager that you are also working for another company half the time (unless you work odd hours), will they be OK? If so then good. If not then it's a matter of transparency and trust. Also doesn't the contract has something about the number of hours? It may not be enforceable, but it's on paper.
I currently have 1 full time job, 1 full time contracting, and 4 clients that pay me a retainer for a set amount of hours they can use week to week. It's going fine; I measure that based on my performance reviews all being excellent, my clients all paying the bills on time, and all work is done in a timely fashion. I do individual contributor infrastructure engineering at the senior+ level. Managing the calendar is t…
I'm at a startup that has some customers which need extra work that I can do but the optics of it might look bad if coworkers find out.
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You are actually the living proof there is a 5x to 10x difference between some programmers. Since you have 4.5 jobs. Thanks for coming forward.
I guess technically the math works out that way :) In my opinion I'm seriously mediocre as an engineer. Slightly above average at best. I'm just good at managing my time, which is more of a business/personal skill than any engineering skill.
I was on the other side of this: We had a remote worker who got a new job but then tried to hide it, collecting paychecks as long as possible. For any manager paying attention, it wasn't difficult to spot. He would swing between being eager to please and virtually unreachable. We didn't have many meetings or phone calls, but he had more scheduling conflicts than anyone else. On the rare occasion that we had high urge…
I think a few periods in my career could be accurately described like this. It was actually just a flareup of some severe mental illness but you can (and my employers certainly did) fire for it anyway, obviously. But I'm not sure your confidence in your understanding of the situation is truly warranted here.
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I think that people are assuming fraud—working two jobs at the same time (eight hours a day), rather than two full-time jobs (16 hours a day).
Which is a fair assumption - putting 16 hours of work a day seems much less likely than someone working remotely and doing the bare minimum at 2 jobs for as long as they can get away with it.
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You don't see the problem in working 16+ hours a day considering the average person needs 8 hours of sleep and needs to ingest food?
I don't believe there are many devs in the us working a full 8 hour day. I have children and they take up as much or more bandwidth than a second job would. I totally believe someone could work 2 dev jobs at once.